Monday, March 23, 2009

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What do you think of comments on Fox News about Canadian soldiers?

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UPDATE: The Canadian government is now demanding an apology from Fox News.

Canadians have begun to express outrage about comments made on Fox News about the Canadian mission in Afghanistan.

In a five-minute segment on the Fox News late-night program Red Eye with Greg Gutfeld, which aired last week, panelists joked that Canadian soldiers need time off for "manicures and pedicures."

The segment was broadcast after Gen. Andrew Leslie, the Canadian Forces Chief of Land Staff, told a Senate committee the military would need a break of one year from operations after the Afghan mission ends in 2011.

"The Canadian military wants to take a breather to do some yoga, paint landscapes, run on the beach in gorgeous white capri pants," Gutfeld said.

Gutfeld added: "Isn’t this the perfect time to invade this ridiculous country? They have no army."

Doug Benson, another panelist, said he did not even know that Canadian troops were fighting in Afghanistan.

"I didn’t even know they were in the war. I thought that’s where you go if you don’t want to fight - you go chill in Canada," he said.

Click here for the video.

Canadians are responding to the segment and they are angry. The item has been posted on YouTube by a Canadian under the title How to Lose Friends and Alienate Countries.

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Comments (114)

Bill

centerville

Yawn...

Stop paying attention , it's not as if anyone here watches this program.....

Posted March 23, 2009 12:44 PM

Holly

loud mouth very ignorant people, one idiot said he didnt know Canada was taking part in the war? omg how can this show continue to be sponsored unless they are sponsoring stupidity??

yes trash trash trash i think it was the country below us who coined the phrase eurotrash???

Puleez Ive had enough of such uneducated morons being Allowed to appear on television

Posted March 23, 2009 12:43 PM

Robert Woudsma

Kingston

Canadian soldiers are fighting and dying in Afganistan in part to continue to defend those rights and freedoms we in Canada and you in the US hold dear.

Among these is that very right to air your sheer stupidity and ingorance of all things not american on the national airwaves.


By the way, can you guys even find Afganistan on a map of the world?

Posted March 23, 2009 12:43 PM

A Yaworski

Wow, Fox News.

How sad it is that we even give these clowns an iota of ire.

They are the joke of objective journalism in the US and it appears they are branching out worldwide now...

I guess these self important "salesman" as Keith Oberman describes them are, as usual, devoid of the facts.

Canada has lost more soldiers per capita (by percentage of troops deployed) in Afghanistan than the US has in Iraq.

Now, the last thing I'd do is call into question the honor of the soldiers of either country as they are doing an outstanding job with the missions they've been tasked with.

It is quite sad that a right-wingnut news network would attack a US ally considering it was they and their partisan buddies who pulled out of a UN sanctioned conflict to invade another country without just cause.

All the soldiers in harms way deserve our support and respect.

Too bad the marginalized elements of US society have nothing better to do than pick fights with allies instead of actually finding out what they really stand for...

The citizens of Canada have your backs Canadian and US forces. Keep making us proud!

Posted March 23, 2009 12:41 PM

Shawn Johnston

FOX? isn't that the channel with pointless meaningless shows full of bimbos, extensions and fake tans?
Anything aired on FOX is nothing but garbage along with the people who work for it.

It only proves that ignorance is still out there and anybody south of the Canadian border can't see past their own noses and their own obsession with patriotism.

Would love to say more but my horse is tied out back and I have to get back to my igloo.

Shawn Johnston

Posted March 23, 2009 12:39 PM

Les Gilholme

Everyone gets caught up in the momentum and who knows given the time of the day the show was on, that perhaps the host and guests may have just finished partaking a beverage or two.

However, they have no call to say what they said about our troops, or for that matter any Allied troops in any conflict.

As stated earlier the USA seems to create conflicts around the world, perhaps they should withdraw their forces from Europe, Asia, Middle East etc. Now what would they do with all their forces home?

Today I called my local cable provider to remove Fox Network, I also had to remove CNN no loss to me.

I urge others to contact their cable/sat provider to remove Fox Network as a protest to "Redeye", GO DO IT for those that serve.

Posted March 23, 2009 12:39 PM

Kevin

Victoria

When the FOX News panel started mocking Andrew Leslie's LAST name for sounding too feminine, I knew that I listening to people who weren't playing with a full deck.

I would be more outraged by this if I were American for making my country look ignorant and juvenile.

Posted March 23, 2009 12:38 PM

Dee

Cornwall

Outrage, shock, disgust... all of these things come to mind, but I will continue to do what I can to show my support for Canadian soldiers, and the amazing job they are doing.

I wear red on Friday, and I will now contact my MP to get a huge "support our troops" sign for my front yard.

I am hoping that the comments of a few idiots on a low rate "news" show will be lost in a sea of support and good will for our soldiers.

They deserve it.

Posted March 23, 2009 12:34 PM

Natanis

Comedy ?...okay. Of an extremely insensitive and disrespectful type. Not even close to the same satire of Rick Mercer, filming Americans voicing their own ignorance.

I lived in the US for 10 years and the majority live in a vacuum of their own making and FOX news is a vital part.

Yes, the comments are inflammatory and make me angry. Expect more as we finally pull our troops from Afghanistan. The "you are either for us or against us" mentality is not just a Bush character flaw but a hardened feature of the USA's propaganda inspired patriotism. It is a sickness and mostly I feel sorry for them for they are a controlled mass of societal ignorance and know not what they do.

Posted March 23, 2009 12:32 PM

L. B.

Ontario

Canadians who subscribe to the Fox Network can take action and cancel it. Such an action just might get noticed at Fox...and let them know you have done this as well.

Disrespecting our dead war heroes is beyond distasteful. There is no excuse for it.

Posted March 23, 2009 12:30 PM

James

Why should I or the Canadian Government for that matter care what integrity challenged Fox News thinks about anything?

Posted March 23, 2009 12:29 PM

Hannah

Ontario

To be fair to the Americans we do make fun of them sometimes, as they do with us, playful banter.

BUT it crosses a line when insult the Canadian military who have been sending in willing troops into Afghanistan since 2002. Their have been 116 men and women killed in action and these comment are disrespectful to their memories and to their families.

I feel sorry for the Americans who don't look at history, other then their own, and fail to see who guarded their border during the Cold War.
And who have no fear that other countries will attack us, because unlike some countries we have done nothing to disrespect others and are a predominantly peaceful nation. We wouldn't have to rely on the US if they had been making so many enemies, and by extension putting Canadians in harms way.

While some joking may be fun and games I feel that it is the responsibility of the FOX network to show some discretion in what they are airing because it does effect their public relations with their allies.

Posted March 23, 2009 12:28 PM

Steve Ericson

Fox News is nothing more than the propaganda arm of the American military industrial complex. Their views represent what's wrong with America and their insult of Canadians who are dying alongside their US "comrades", shows why Canada should walk away from their US counterparts and leave them to twist in the wind in an unwinnable war in Afghanistan.

If this had gone to a referendum our troops would not be over there. They would be defending our interests in the arctic the way a sovereign nation should.Do we really think America will defend our interests?

Come on Canada....give your head a shake. America is circling the drain and a thousand Obamas can't save it.

Posted March 23, 2009 12:23 PM

Paul

Typical American ignorance. These idiots on Fox obviously are catering to the democratic that enjoys Beavis and Butthead, South Park etc... who's IQ rating is in the negative values.

They probably belong to the part of the American population that can't even point out Canada on a map. Yes, this shouldn't be taken too seriously, but it's just another small example of how Americans generally view us.

All these little jabs and jokes here and there add up to paint a picture of how they see us. But should we feel so bad though when these insults come from a country that most of the world hates anyway?

This is an example of how bullies always need to target others and belittle them to boost their own ego. America may mock Canada, but America doesn't exactly have a perfect image in the eyes of the rest of the world.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:44 AM

Kevin Cole

I find it deplorable that a US TV station would allow comments of the type made on Redeye to be telecast. The US enlisted our help in the Afgan war in the first place after 911.

It should be noted that most countries in the free world have dealt with terrorist acts.

The UK,France,Spain, Italy,Germany & Canada have dealt with the IRA, Bader Mienhoff, Red Brigade, the FLQ, to name a few. This was dealt with by each country in turn. This was largely ignored by America. Then the World Trade Center gets hit. Not that this wasn't a horrible act with a huge loss of life, it most certainly was.

However now that an international terrorist act took place on US soil it became an "international war on terrorism". All countries must participate. You can't take a bottle of water on a plane anymore! Anyone crossing into the US over the Canadian Boarder needs a passport.

Well, if the opinion presented on Redeye really is the way the US feels over Canada's contribution let them fight it themselves. Bring the boys home and be done with it.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:44 AM

Pierre Laferriere

Ottawa

So.. this is real after all?

When I saw the clip on the news, I thought it was just some lame attempt at a joke on the Comedy Network.. Come on.. it must have been.

No semi-intelligent person would make such public asses out of themselves by spewing such crap, would they?

Then again, I'm sure no sane person with an IQ over 10 would be watching this nonsense at like 3.00AM.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:42 AM

Bruno

Montreal

A comparison was brought up between this segment and Rick Mercer's old segments.

Rick Mercer made segments of Americans saying funny or dumb things; pretty different than insulting a country for exercising its independence and not going along with the will of another.

Still it's not surprising, the ridicule should be expected; this will probably just be the first of many (especially from Fox) as more American news medias inform their citizens that Canada will be ending its commitment to this American war.

The same was done to France and other European countries when they disagreed with the American crusade.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:41 AM

wilma

I emailed the GUTLESS wonder and told him just what I thought of his & the panels comments.... In my mind he should be fired as he not only insulted our country & our countries military.... he insulted all of the
fallen heroes Canadian & US ....

My blood is boiling to think that people actually watch this garbage !! and they call it Humour...

WE ARE NOT LAUGHING!!!! with my maple leaf in my heart ....

Posted March 23, 2009 11:37 AM

Karen

I am totally stunned and shocked by the ignorance of Fox News! The news story that aired on the weekend was definately done in poor taste!

How could you air this when the families are grieving their loss. To show the fallen in body bags at the side of the road made my stomach turn.

My son is currently serving in Afghanistan and we could not be more proud of him.

Maybe you should watch Combat School on Discovery Channel, Tues. 10pm. and find out what our boys are really doing over there.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:37 AM

Susan

Alberta

Perhaps a History class is in order if they question our resolve as a country....

Didn't we burn down their capital once...Good thing for them we make every effort toward diplomacy first instead of going off half informed making fools of ourselves and begging forgiveness later. I am proud to be a Canadian....I am welcomed abroad by any democracy by showing my maple leaf....

Funny how many Americans try to pass themselves off as Canadians while abroad to wrap themselves in the good will of our foreign friends. at the end of the day...being better educated collectively, we need to take the moral high ground, a practice as foreign to our southern neighbors as breathing water...(just one of many things we share that they can't live with out) we at last must be the bigger collective consciousness and consider the source...small people, with little or no power in there lives and limited knowledge, and little perspective on the real world. who need to feel important by bullying.

After all...they elected George W not once but twice! Not a vote for there collective intelligence! A Pox on Fox Indeed...I will be eliminating any of there channels and services from my television services and encourage anyone offended by this to do the same!

Posted March 23, 2009 11:36 AM

Todd

Remind me again why we are helping these buffoons?

Posted March 23, 2009 11:34 AM

Brian Jack

Toronto

Dont get to mad , you have to remember they are AMERICAN, ignorant! Oh and they did forget a few things....

WE really do live in IGLOOS and that quarter they found in there change a couple of years past ..you know the one with the poppy on it(it is a spy quarter) we got all you secrets now America......

GROW UP and get a real job that acually airs at a decent time.......PROUD to BE CANADIAN

Posted March 23, 2009 11:34 AM

Mary Turenne

The only "fair and unbiased" thing about Fox News is its hiring practice.

Otherwise its employees would all be working for the National Enquirer and other publications of that ilk.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:34 AM

Lloyd

Edmonton

I, also, have lived in the U.S. and know that U.S. knowledge of Canada and our activities ranks with U.S. knowledge of nations in general. That is just the way it is.

But this is about the attitude of some Americans, not their knowledge. We are not likely to be able to change that, but their action can cause us to change the way we think about the things we do and, perhaps, as a result, change the things we do.

It reminds me of something that a close relative (by marriage) said to me during my two decades in the Canadian Forces. He told me that he thought my job was about helping to keep the world safe for his investment-centered economic lifestyle by which he could exercise his freedom to accumulate wealth.

I felt quite angry about this but, over time, I could see that what he said was not totally wrong, and this must have been part of the evolution that saw me make my way out of the Canadian Forces.

Yes, this all makes me angry. But the issue then becomes a question of what we do with our anger, and we can only use it to change ourselves, though, in that change, we can still use our words with the precision and effectiveness of all those bullets they have but we don't have (and probably don't need).

Posted March 23, 2009 11:33 AM

Paul

Canning

Typical ignorance. These idiots obviously are catering to their own kind, who's IQ rating is in the negative values. They're probably part of the American population that can't even point out Canada on a map.

Yes, this shouldn't be taken this too seriously, but it's just another small example of how Americans generally view us. All these little jabs and joke here and there begin to paint a picture of how they see us. But should we feel so bad though when these insults come from a country that most of the world hates anyway?

This is an example of how bullies always need to target others and belittle them to boost their own ego. America may mock Canada, but America doesn't exactly have a perfect image in the eyes of the rest of the world.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:32 AM

Linda

Calgary

Perhaps these buckos at Fox News need to be reminded that Canada has peace keeping missions around the world which is taxing on our military; but then again, they may not understand the concept since it does not involve invading foreing countries and/or bullying anyone that stands in their way.

I wonder where these "journalists" got their credentials...the back of a cereal box
perhaps, or where they away when ethics and standards were taught?

Posted March 23, 2009 11:28 AM

Mark Pigott

Kelowna

The stunningly ill-informed and shallow Fox team, smugly boasting about their 'big toys'.

Remember this Fox, Canada sent more troops per capita than you did (WW2) and entered a full two years before you found the will to join the battle.

Your inglorious abandonment of the Afghan people has cost our troops dearly and your own President recognizes our brave defense against long odds, not the least of which is being tied to your clumsy foreign policy and shattered trust and respect abroad.

You trash the one ally who has stood by you faithfully.

Shame on you. I'd like to imbed you alongside one of our courageous men and women deep in Kandahar, if only to see your false bravado turn and run like the cowards you are.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:28 AM

Richard Konopada

Brampton

Such comments coming from FOX is not surprising.

As a mouth piece of the US neo-cons and the Republican party FOX once again demonstates the arrogance and ignorance that the US has of all its friends and allies.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:25 AM

jenny terrio baturin

Okay, we've established that these comments were insulting, ill-informed and disrespectful to all Canadians especially our Armed Forces.

But lighten up a little: let the Fox commentators have their little chuckle. Had any of us ever even heard of these people before? No. Will any of us tune in to this program ever again? Not likely. This is their 15 minutes of fame and I expect they will try to maximize its effect. The last laugh will be on them.

These "journalists" can't exactly be at the pinnacle of their profession if they are reduced to doing a 3 am segment on Fox (a broadcaster that is consistently disparaged throughout the news world).

When I want balanced and fair reporting, I tune in to CBC or BBC.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:24 AM

Mark

Halifax

Aside from their ignorant and insulting comments towards our armed forces, FOX News (and perhaps some of the American public) need to stand up and take note about the RCMP vs their police forces...have a think about the reason why the US police are heavily armed with bullet proof vests while the RCMP wear red and ride horses - it is sad that they feel this is worth joking about.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:23 AM

JayJay

Ottawa

It’s generally known that FOX News is not news at all but a hate show geared towards the stupid. It’s run by stupid people, hosted by idiots, and watched by morons. So who cares what that show has to say?

Posted March 23, 2009 11:23 AM

Jon Gardner

Halifax

Although I can understand a bit of satirical humour now and again, FOX news neglected to mention that over 100 people, 116 Canadians, both family and friends to some, died fighting in that country.

That doesn't strike me as particularly funny. At all.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:22 AM

Joanne

I guess these sort of comments are to be expected from a Country that only showed up in the last few months of WW1 and half way through WW2.

Gee, I wonder what country was there for the entire thing!

As far as I'm concerned we should pull out entirely and let the Americans do a whole job for once!

Posted March 23, 2009 11:20 AM

Doug

The Fox News segment was insulting at best but to think that no one believes Fox is a mistake.

The vast majority of Americans have a better understanding of and appreciation for their allies. But, as a "snowbird" in the Bible belt, I hear the things the Neo Cons believe in.

The latest is that Obama will be controlling ammunition because he can't control guns so NRA members must buy up all the available ammo! Texas will need our help!!

Let's just hope that either the Obama administration or at least one of the more balanced networks picks up on this story and tells the real truth about Canada fighting in Afghanistan AT THE REQUEST of the US government.

May God protect all our military!

Posted March 23, 2009 11:20 AM

Rod

Long ago I came to accept an old adage that my mother often expressed that " today's news wraps tomorrows garbage".

Why does anybody countenance such ignorance and crass journalism?

Posted March 23, 2009 11:19 AM

David Poissant

Those poor Fox News saps...
doomed to eternity in oblivion.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:19 AM

Durandal

Ottawa

My first reaction was anger and frustration but after a few breaths I started actually listening to what these people were saying and final conclusion is.

Most of what was said was untrue and downright stupid.

So as far as I'm concerned these jokers can keep mounthing off about what they "think" of Canada. I'll stick to what I "think" of them.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:19 AM

Rod

Long ago I came to accept an old adage that my mother often expressed that " today's news wraps tomorrows garbage". Why does anybody countenance such ignorance and crass journalism?

Posted March 23, 2009 11:19 AM

David Poissant

Those poor Fox News saps...doomed to eternity in oblivion.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:19 AM

J S

BC

Why are people upset? Since when does anyone paY attention to the FOX COMEDY News NETWORK?
This is the station that still believes there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and that President Shrub was a great President.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:19 AM

Kevin Mullan

My momma always said, "What can you expect from a pig but a grunt?"

Posted March 23, 2009 11:19 AM

Brian Way

This is typical of some of the American population, but I don't believe reflects the mentality of all Americans.

For the ones that made the comment, it indicates they are self-centered and inward looking and know nothing about what is going on in the world unless it affects the USA.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:18 AM

Pete Harrison

Florida

redeye@foxnews.com

Email these idiots, and let them know how you feel, I just did:

Saw your offensive anti-Canadian military segment online.

Deeply disturbed by it, as I've served in the USAF for nineteen years, and have worked alongside Canadian military men and women many times, and they are the utmost professionals at what they do.

Have any of you ever served? I thought not.
V/R
TSgt Pete Harrison
USAF

Posted March 23, 2009 11:16 AM

Scott

Kitchener

I take everything on Fox News with several grains of salt;

They are to broadcast news, what the National Enquirer is to print journalism.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:13 AM

Al

Manitoba

Just Bring It!

I have served with US Troops and most are good decent Americans that would B-Slap this moron for his comments as Canadian Army Units have saved many American lives in battle.

Also this un-educated hack should read his history an remember what happend the last time the mighty USA invaded Canada. The results was why they call the Presidents residents "The White House". White paint covered up the smoke marks on what was left of it when the Canadians left.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:12 AM

Marc

Winnipeg

It is terrible that a major media corporation like FOX that has a huge influence on it's viewers, would allow comments like this.

In a country that has a large population that 'believes what TV says is true', I would like to see what Americans are saying about these comments.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:08 AM

Jo-Anne

Calgary

This coming from a country that has put the entire world into an economic crisis? A country that elected Bush for 8 whole years? A country that made a complete mess of Iraq? And they are making fun of our military? That's funny.

I also think its funny how they say they didnt even know Canada was in Afghanistan - why would they? They have their heads so far up you-know-where to even notice any other country, not to mention Afghanistan is where they SHOULD have been after 9/11 in the first place.

Americans should be embarressed of Fox news. I know I would. Absolutely ridiculous. If they really want to talk about something ridiculous, they should be looking at their own country.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:06 AM

vera

regina

Now everybody,these are the Americans who cause other Americans to wear Canadian maple leaf pins when they travel.

Ugly ,stupid,and insulting,ignorant,plus most any other negative description you can think of.

Not humour.I feel embarrassed for the rest of the American population having these poeple represent them on TV to the rest of the world.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:03 AM

RichieB

Calgary

I watched this video, and it was more insulting to Americans than it was to Canadians.

The fools assembled on the set were proud to wear their ignorance on their sleeves, and I could just feel the collective cringe of thinking Americans from coast to coast.

For Canadians, you don't need to stoop to the same level of commentary in your rebuttals. These people don't represent America, or Americans, or even the American media.

They are just idiots, and every society has them, including ours.

You won't find such ignorant comments coming from any American soldier that has served with the Canadians.

They would be the first to plant a knuckle sandwich on Greg Gutfeld's nose.

Posted March 23, 2009 11:02 AM

Kathy

As a parent of a soldier that has served in Afghanistan, I am deeply insulted by the comments made on the Fox show.

It does, however, confirm all my beliefs that most Americans are arrogant, ignorant, and self-absorbed.

As we prepare to repatriate the latest 4 victims of the Americans war on terrorism, my opinion of Americans has been comletetly reinforced by the comments made on the reprehensible Fox show.

Shame on you people!

Posted March 23, 2009 11:01 AM

R. Munson

I saw it and laughed. It was a funny piece and I cannot believe that people would take it seriously.

Are Canadians so insecure that they can't take a joke. Get over it!

Posted March 23, 2009 10:59 AM

Andrew in BC

Even though the comments were ignorant and disrespectful to our Serving Members there is an overlying truth to what was said.

It is unbelievable, well not so much if you recall the submarines still in mothball, that Canada made a purchase of Leopard II tanks years ago and yet they are still awaiting a contract to be rewarded so that these very important pieces of kit can be used.

Also, Canadian Forces are having a heck of a time recruiting nd that is the underlying reason on why our Members will need a 'rest'.

Why doesn't the government double the wages and offer discounts to buy new vehicles (personal) like the Americans?

Hate to say it, especially since I am a CF Vet, but the reality of the state of our Forces is very close to what the idiots of Fox were joking about...time to look in the mirror, Canada!

Posted March 23, 2009 10:59 AM

Dr. M

Milton

I lived in the States for almost 4 years.

Americans live in a silo, the media does not cover activities of other countries, especially Canada.

Not suprised by this mentality at all.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:59 AM

ken hetherington

CBC let Rick Mercer ridicule Americans for years and Canadians found that hilarious.

Bit of a double standard here.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:58 AM

Mike

Toronto

The 'frat house' setting, the juvenile 'intern' content with soundbite delivery - can only lead one to the conclusion that Fox has consigned itself to annals of dumb and dumber broadcast history

If there is ever an arguement to sustain funding for public broacasting to ensure journalistic content, accuracy and integrity this is it.

The alternative - Lots of hairgel and low IQ's

Posted March 23, 2009 10:58 AM

Claude St-Pierre

Please make sure Don Cherry sees that...

Posted March 23, 2009 10:56 AM

Laverna Randall

For the Idiot Comments by FOX NEWS: Red Eye
It’s interesting that you feel that you have the intelligence to comment on anything Canadian.

If you were more educated you would know that we do more than live in igloos and drive dog sleds.

Your backwards comments at a time when we are bringing home 4 more soldiers who sacrificed their lives in the name of freedom and justice is disgusting and ignorant.

Maybe you should open up a history book or two and learn more about your neighbors and allies.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:56 AM

Robert

London

Discusting! Saddest of all... Fox only cares for one thing...ratings and the broadcasters on the show only care for fame.

It seems both are getting what they want.

Too bad it's at the expense of of not just the respect from one country to another, but to soldiers who have fought alongside americans, especially soldiers who have died.

Freedom of speech should have a respect clause included somewhere within itself... I'm even more proud to be Canadian now than ever.

A Formal apology applies here for starters.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:56 AM

Dave

To Robert Butler:
Having spent the last 10 years living in the US, I know for a fact that most viewers of FOX News believe it to be factual. It's sad, but true.

The reality is, Americans always think they're the only ones in any fight, and any argument to the contrary is pure propaganda. They're world view is spoon fed to them by the likes... you guessed it! Fox News!

They have no idea of the world around them, and far more dangerously, no interest. Life was good for the citizens of Rome, but most Romans weren't citizens.

Americans are the new Romans, and the rest of the world is there to do their bidding.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:55 AM

Donovan

I sent the following to Fox last night.

Wow...

Just when I think that fox news couldn't get anymore "Enquire" like, I catch CBC (a true news source) and find out that you are criticizing Canada's war effort.

(Especially in the wake of our nation's loss of four more fine young men.)

Reread an unbiased account of the history of the last 7 or so years and recognize that Canada willingly joined to help fight your fight in Afghanistan and remained there while your military became side tracked in Iraq so President Bush could settle his fathers' debt.

Had your government of the time stuck it out in Afghanistan instead of leaving your work there to other, we together could have ended the Afghan war by now.

I guess oil and revenge win out over defeating the real source of the Sept 11th tragedy.

America has never had a better partner than they do in Canada and while we do not have your number in population or the capital resources you have access to (recognize that access to and in pocket are very different things), we do have pride in the fact that we contribute to the world when other only take.

You and those like you only contribute to the negative view of Americans that grew to record heights during the Bush administration. Simply put you and your opinions give the United States a bad name.

Hopefully your new president can cure what ails your country. I am sure he and others like him recognize that part of that sickness is bias and ignorance which, in effect, means that you are part of the problem.

Do everyone on both sides of the 49th parallel a favour and educate yourself before you spout off or just don't speak.

Proudly Canadian,
D. McKay

Posted March 23, 2009 10:55 AM

Terry Robinson

People listen to Fox news?

Posted March 23, 2009 10:52 AM

Gerry

Typical Fox news propaganda.

Pandering to the ignorant.

We should not take offence that only stupid people believe Fox(Fake)News.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:52 AM

David

toronto

Their own president knows the truth and acknowledged it to Peter Mansbridge in a recent interview.

Americans are great, don't let some "wanna be" real journalists taint what they're about.

it ought to be dismissed as a ratings grab and then ignored.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:51 AM

Denis

Moncton

Because Canada is never in the news in the US, this kind of trash is the only information about Canada for many viewers and build negative perceptions.

This is why Canadians are upset.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:50 AM

Elaine Scanlon

Ignorance is not always bliss!!

Like my fellow Canadians I am incensed by these fools on Fox TV......are they being paid for their ignorant arrogance......"big bucks" probably.......only in America eh?......keep them there!

My son recently spent a month in Thailand, news available from a "North American" perspective was offered by Fox.......everybody knows that this channel is abysmal and totally not worth air time.

A comprehensive objective on "World" news was offered by AL JEZERRA......needless to say that this was his channel of choice.

THINK ABOUT THAT you so called "presenters" at Fox News!!!!!!

Posted March 23, 2009 10:48 AM

Alex

Alberta

I was all ready to write a long comment about how the FOX "contributors" were an embarrassment to their nation, and then I read the comment posted by Kevin from AB and I remembered that we have our own embarrassments as well (and from my own province, no less).

At least this will give the few people in Canada who took FOX news seriously a wake-up call.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:48 AM

joefission

Winnipeg

I particularly love the part where they mock the RCMP for their horses and red jackets.

While this is obviously ridiculous the commentators somehow still seem to find it preferable that their police drive around in armored cars.

Where you you rather live?

A fictional Canada where it is so safe that the police ride ponies or the US where the level of violence is such that the cops need tanks?

I'm not sure how they think this makes them look superior. Idiots.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:47 AM

Jennifer

Ottawa

This is nothing but arrogance, but its Fox news that's what they are known for.

This is an organization with no code of ethics and boy do they do a good job at showing it every day.

We talk about school children being mean and bullying, that's all Fox news is; a big bully who nobody really likes or takes seriously.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:47 AM

Robert Butler

Please remembeer that fox NOISE was the loudest cheerleader for the election of dufuous BUSH for two terms.

They represent a rather low intelligence level. In fact most Americans look at fox noise for their entertainment rather than hard news.

Their collective intelligence of all foxx noise has not enough power to blast a devent fart.

Wuth the cheney bush unleadership the once proud United States of America has sunk to the unmeasureable depths of the bottemless pit.

Note that they now have a President who has a much more analytical mind according to one of Bush's cabinet members.

He was being overly kind to this creature who is now teeying tro rewrite history to make himself look good.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:47 AM

Pat

Calgary

This was totaly disgusting and unfortuntatley
it's getting him publicity.

Started on Fox and now has gone to many Canadian Stations

.I have a Grandson,over there right now.

Strange that Fox has not done anything about it.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:47 AM

Robert Butler

Please remembeer that fox NOISE was the loudest cheerleader for the election of dufuous BUSH for two terms.

They represent a rather low intelligence level. In fact most Americans look at fox noise for their entertainment rather than hard news.

Their collective intelligence of all foxx noise has not enough power to blast a devent fart.

Wuth the cheney bush unleadership the once proud United States of America has sunk to the unmeasureable depths of the bottemless pit.

Note that they now have a President who has a much more analytical mind according to one of Bush's cabinet members.

He was being overly kind to this creature who is now teeying tro rewrite history to make himself look good.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:47 AM

David Axis

edmonton

Sometimes people go to far - this is my rebuttal to fox red eye's comments

dear whatever you are

As our brothers and sisters continue to return home in flag draped coffins , as Canada continues to prosecute the war that you in the United States started and then (in your infinite wisdom) abandoned in favor of finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq .

Leaving Canada with 1/10th the US population holding the proverbial bag.

You are right about one thing ,our men and women in uniform (some of them going their 4th and and 5th tours of duty in Afghanistan) are tired.

Tired of being used as cannon fodder / tired of the U.S. giving billions in arms / planes and equipment to Pakistan which end up in the hand of the enemy(your arms industry always arms both sides....except Canada) that end up killing our best and brightest while our boys and girls don't even have the benefit of U.S.helicopter lift.

Tired of your so called friendly fire . Very tired of you and your star spangled swastika draped propaganda machine. You want to invade Canada - do you even know where we are located?

You armchair pundits make me vomit / I am sure that if you bunch were confronted by a Taliban soldier you would curl up in the fetal position , soil yourself,and then give up every bit of information you could come up with (including the address of your mother).

OK , let us assume for a moment that you could manage to locate Canada ( after all it is a significant landmass to your north and as such hard to miss ) Bring it on , you silly sap , Just remember what happened to the Nazis in Russia in the 1940's.

We could just sell our oil and gas to China via our new deep water port ,then what will you use to run your war machine.

sincerely appalled
(may the mother of all horrors bring a pox upon all your houses)
Have a nice day!
David Axis

Posted March 23, 2009 10:44 AM

Michael

It's nice to see that the idea of invading Canada wasn't just limited to some of my classmates when I attended high school in the US, but is part of the verbal diarrhea coming from Fox News.

I wouldn't take the comment too seriously, this is Fox News we're talking about, they're not exactly known for being fair, balanced or knowledgeable, however an apology for this slander would be appropriate.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:43 AM

Michael Williams

Toronto

Obviously war is a very serious matter in general, and more specifically the mission in Afghanistan, and for that reason alone this piece crosses some lines....

However, they do bring up one very valid point... if Canada was geographically located anywhere else in the world, instead of right next to the last super power, and NATO ally, who by treaty must defend us as if we were one country, it would be impossible for our military to "take a year off".
... this does raise some serious questions about the resources we put into our armed forces when our top military commander tells the world we can not defend our own borders

Fox is hardly the best place to turn for insightful discussion, but purhaps it wouldn't be quite so offensive if it didn't get so close to the truth.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:42 AM

Roya

toronto

i think speakers are right to say canada is a peacefull place.

canadians should not get involve in these mess that america created all over the world.

there is no appreciation.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:41 AM

Floyd

CANADA

Being a Korean vet I would love to tell this Jackoff how many US soldiers were killed by "friendly fire" and BTW do you remember the CANADIAN soldiers who were killed in Ahfganistan by the US pilots who did;nt know which were the good guys and which were the bad ????

Posted March 23, 2009 10:40 AM

David William

Utter trash, of course. It's one thing for Canada to make fun of themselves, and in the same token for Americans to poke fun at their neighbour to the north; it's part of the relationship between our two countries.

However, when you base an ENTIRE segment on the utter and complete denigration of our country's armed forces, who are fighting alongside American military personnel in one of the most dangerous areas of the world... that is simply unacceptable.

I am sure many American soldiers fighting alongside Canadians are utterly ashamed.

These comments do not represent the vast majority of Americans, I am sure; it is more garbage spewing from the mouthpiece of FOX news.

It is time that company start being accountable for the opinions of their journalists, especially when it is complete nonsense; do they not realize that Mounties do NOT wear the serge on general duty?

Honestly, if you don't understand Canada, don't bother discussing it on national television.

Any other journalist in Canada would find themselves unemployed in short order for a stunt like this.

It's called journalistic integrity. Something these brutes have none of.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:40 AM

John

Gibsons

Here's a thought for fox your the strongest nation in the world,why do back packers from the US put Canadian flags on their gear?

I've also seen some of their vaunted military wear Canadian flag pins on their shirts while on deployment with STANAVFORLANT.

Would Fox care to brag about that?

Posted March 23, 2009 10:40 AM

David Webster

That was the ultimate in ignorance, even for Fox.

It must be hard, even for people as stupid as this group, to rattle on about the superiority of "The Greatest Nation in the Universe", given their record at peacekeeping,their uncanny ability to protect the world from weapons of mass destruction and the obvious flair for all things financial .

Obviously ,none of these idiots recall the order in which the world responded to our last two world wars!The lady who said "who really cares what they think!" is right, but it is very hard to ignore such gross ignorance.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:40 AM

Lea Anderson

Calgary

There is no room for comedy or satire when it comes to dead soldiers.

This so-called “News” network owes Canada and our Military an apology.

Our Troops have been carrying the load for NATO for 8 years.

These commentators showed their ignorance and lack of class by airing such a disgusting piece.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:39 AM

Dee

Nfls

This reminds me of Rumsfelt & Rush " the intellectual "... etc

With this having happened, it seems that FOX has caught a serious sickness.

Showing off and the praising of stupid people ! plus adopting their ways.

They are the ones that most likely all elected Bush and look at what happened to him.

Now that fox is so popular, they might try to sell us tanks for war ! Be carefull Oh Canadian people ! Stay well.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:38 AM

Peter Lake

Canada

My wife is a US citizen raised in Atlanta.

I choked back a comment when I saw her parents watching Fox News.

Unfortunately the ignorance and naivety illustrated and perpetuated by Fox News is fairly widespread and is the reason that Americans are laughing stocks throughout the English-speaking world.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:38 AM

Harolyn Gourley

Seeing Red

FOX on a hilltop, underneath the moon,
yippin' and a-yappin' to a damn-fool's tune;
struttin' and a-prancin' like he's got the balls,
but I never seen 'im climbin' any henhouse walls.

FOX in the far-off, snortin' up a storm,
laughin' like a jackass just to keep hisself warm;
stirrin' up the neighbours just to start a spat,
but he'll flit before the fracas--just imagine that!

Well, the FOX on the hilltop had better stay put;
do his silly song-and-dancin' where's he's on the right foot.
If I catch 'im any closer, sneakey-wrigglin' through the grass,
gonna put a load o' rock-salt up 'is flame-red ass!

------------[(c)2009 Harolyn J. Gourley]

Posted March 23, 2009 10:37 AM

Victor

Dartmouth

This proves that Americans not only do not know but do not care what goes on outside the their supposibly great country, which by the way are the sole cause of the world economy to go into the toilet .

There are Americans that still think that we all live in igloos , go around in dog sleds and are all aliens . Angry I am .

Posted March 23, 2009 10:37 AM

W.Lau

Vancouver

This whole ordeal is upsetting.

Greg Gutfeld, Doug Benson, and the other 'panelist' should be held resposible for the ill-mannered and politically incorrect statements made towards Canada.

I'm shocked that these so called 'news' panelists still have their jobs.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:37 AM

Bob G.

If this passes for funny to fox viewers then maybe a punch to their heads will have them laughing their asses off.

This kind of crap is the very reason I will not watch FOX and have blocked it from being viewed on all the TV's in my home.

If it wasn't that it was on CBC I wouldn't have known about it since I don't watch CTV either as I feel it's really just Canada's version of FOX.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:37 AM

Pete Harrison

Florida

Fox News is an entertainment network, not a journalistic organization.

Having served in the US military for the past 19 years, I have had the oppurtunity to work alongside Canadian military people with AWACS, in Afghanistan, and here in Florida.

I can say that to a single member, they've been some of the finest, most professional folks I've ever served alongside.

The comments on Fox are ignorant, irresponsible, insulting, and embarrassing. Bad comedy at it's worst.
V/R
TSgt Pete Harrison
USAF

Posted March 23, 2009 10:37 AM

Ross James

Winnipeg

As I understand it a full 20% of FOX staff members were able to find north on a compass after only their 3rd try.

Gutfeld was overheard saying " at least we spelled Canada properly with a capital "K"

Posted March 23, 2009 10:36 AM

Jim

Delhi

Is no one at the CBC aware that this was a panel of standup comedians and that none of them are journalists?!

They were just trying to out-riff each other with common Canadian stereotypes.

One of the guys was a contestant on Last Comic Standing for crying out loud - do you think media outlets in the U.S. would get their knickers in a knot if Sean Cullen said something that mocked Americans?

It would have all the resonance of a toot in a windstorm. Can't the media here grow a pair and not try and whip something up every single time someone in the U.S. makes us cry by not saying how great we are?

Posted March 23, 2009 10:35 AM

Brian

We should not worry about the fox news reporters because we know by previous reporting that this company cannot afford people with more than a single digit IQ.

The good reporters are at CBC, NBC, CBS, etc.

Now you know why the new US administration is pushing hard to reform the education system in the States so they don’t get any more future idiots like this.

It must be lonely in the illiterate world?

Posted March 23, 2009 10:35 AM

Jerry

seattle

These strange comments are way out of line and will ruffle feathers up north.

I hope Canadians have the self esteem to see them for what they are - mouthings from some nobody trying to get attention.

The job Canada is doing is much admired down here and frankly puts most other NATO members (who are afraid to go out after dark) to shame.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:35 AM

Roya

Toronto

Americans are right . canada is a peaceful place . we should not get involved in the mess that Americans created all over the world.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:35 AM

Seagull

This show airs weekdays at 3 am on a fringe cable news network. We shouldn't be giving this ignoramus prime-time coverage.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:34 AM

Mark Peters

Halifax

Gutfeld's comments are way off the mark. Every Canadian knows this and any Americans who are halfway up to date on the war in Afghanistan know this too.

But for CBC News to subtly intend on its front page that Fox News is "unbalanced"... that takes the cake. It is particularly ironic, almost laughable, given Heather Mallick and Neil MacDonald are given such prominence on the very same CBC News front page.

Fox provides more balanced reporting in a day than CBC provides in year. People expecting balance don't go to CBC, they go to Fox and/or the web.

So, yeah, boo Gutfeld. But CBC is in no position to question the "balance" at Fox.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:34 AM

Seagull

This show airs weekdays at 3 am on a fringe cable news network. We shouldn't be giving this ignoramus prime-time coverage.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:34 AM

Jaeme

I have been offended many times by the fools on Fox and I have never ever turned the channel on, but their latest insult was too much. I have a dear friend in the military, at Petawawa, who has served in Afghanistan and to have his and others efforts and sacrifices belittled is unacceptable.

I went to my Starchoice account and had Fox "News" removed from my account. It was part of a bundle and required a moment or two to figure out how to get rid of it but that is the least I can do.

Whether we watch the channel or not having it in our accounts means they receive subscription fees from us. I will not pay to have our brave and finest insulted. Fair and Balanced? Fairly unbalanced more like. Show you care. REMOVE FOX "NEWS" FROM YOUR TV SUBSCRIPTIONS

Posted March 23, 2009 10:34 AM

Ron

Edmonton

"Don't expect anything from a pig but a grunt!"...'Boots' McDonald

Posted March 23, 2009 10:33 AM

C. VanderKraan

Peterborough

A typical comment from a US station.
We should never forget that the only war the US ever won was the civil war.

In all other wars they were only a participant,
with glorious examples like the bay of pigs, or Somalia or a major opponent like Panama!!

So let us not get upset because we know who said it.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:33 AM

Judi

GTA

Why is our media focusing on this!? Of course it will generate anger - that's what it's meant to do. But, in a time when we need to focus on working together - let's focus on the positive! Even Americans know that Fox News is full of p*** & vinegar - that's what they balance!

Focus on Barack; focus on joint missions. Don't focus on idiots who want more than 15min. Canadians (and Americans) don't need a reason to fight - they need a reason to come together.

Fox News is irrelevant; the people who buy into their crap would come up with it themselves. But, most Americans don't - and those are the Americans we (and our media) should focus on!

Posted March 23, 2009 10:32 AM

Nancy

I think they should bring our kids home and send in the comedians. Let them try to do the work our soldiers are doing. Then they can laugh.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:31 AM

Peggy Lalor

Calgary

Another example of the poorly informed US media which is a dis-service to the American people. After living there for 15 years I don't think I ever heard them discuss who their partners in this war are.

Their US media bias without international broadcasts like BBC or CBC or Al Jezeera creates a poorly informed "strongest country" in the world waiting for the fall!

Posted March 23, 2009 10:30 AM

Larry Richardson

Canada

If this sort of comment had come from a real news network one might be offended.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:30 AM

terry Collier

vancouver

Why would anyone take anything said on Faux News seriously? This was after all the main cheerleader for George Bush and his illegal and immoral wars.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:30 AM

Nelson Emery

Ottawa

Who cares? Only the Intellectually Challanged watch Fox News

Posted March 23, 2009 10:28 AM

Rob Garraway

Why worry about what Fox News says? Just remember, these are the people who voted for G.W. Bush!!

Thx
RLG

Posted March 23, 2009 10:27 AM

Annette

These people have no shame and certainly are not educated. It is because of comments like these, [in particular the Fox network in this instance, as well as previous rubbish on air], that the world continues to loss respect for the United States.

I suppose this cruel attempt at 'sick' humour helps them from looking too closely at themselves!

Posted March 23, 2009 10:26 AM

milton mackenzie

What an insulting video but then when you consider the source, what can you expect? FOX media will do anything for a buck even if it means insulting one of the only countries in the world the US can consider a friend.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:26 AM

Kevin

AB

I don't understand the phony outrage at the Fox remarks. I've heard worse from the Liberals/CBC.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:25 AM

Scott

Can the CRTC decide to stop having FOX broadcasting in Canada??

Don't hold your breath for an apology, this is FOX remember.

It's too bad that camcorders weren't evented way back when... It'd be nice to post the War of 1812 on youtube... just to remind them.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:24 AM

Harry-O

To Greg Gutfeld,

I am just going to hang around a wait for your apology. Or the one that comes from your network.

Just another useless rant from a poor misguided nation. You guys spend way too much time in the media world. Maybe you should stick to a topic you might actually understand like waiting for Britney Spears to fall off the wagon again. I am sure your listeners are more interested in that than anything to do with Canada.

Do your followers even know where Canada is? Ask your audience of geniuses if they can spell Canada? Maybe even get tough on them and see if they can name our Capital city. Good Luck!

Maybe the panel that you had on last night needs to go over to see who is doing the real work over there. Or even better, how about you bring the same gang of intellects up to CFB Petawawa (not the Capital) to give the same comments to the families of those who just lost there kids. We dare you.

We will gladly wait until they get back from either trip to hear the apology. Maybe then at least it will be an informed comment. What a concept!


Your neighbours in Canada.


PS. We still got a bank up here bucko. How about you?

Posted March 23, 2009 10:23 AM

Cheryl Wright

I was offended by the comments as such "journalists" spewed their ignorance. We have fought with that country ( U.S ) everytime one of their politicians opens their mouth and makes another enemy. As far as spending money on our army???

We have spent it elsewhere, like social assistance progams, education, and health care.. 3 things that the United States lacks. Don't remember who invented Kevlar?

It was a Canadian scientist.. and for the Americans who don't know what that is... it is the lining inside of your beloved bullet proof vests! Our RCMP are veered as statues of honesty, integrity, and true Canadian honor... unlike your police departments who are always in the news for corruption.

Yes, Fox News.. we are in the war, yes we have had soldiers who have fallen for the love of their country.. maybe to jog your memories on how crucial we are to NATO and the world we should send our troops home and let you fight your own battles.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:22 AM

Ken Gilmour

Peterborough

we burned down the white house in 1812 -- they were late to both world wars, used falsehoods as a reason to invade iraq and as we prepare to honour the sacrifice of four more canadian soldiers, fox news mocks our military!

after americans have finished making amends to the rest of the world for eight years of bush perhaps then they can say what they want, but until then, shut up and get a life that has some meaning

where is your highway of heroes?

Posted March 23, 2009 10:21 AM

Kelly

Onatrio,

The ignorance of the reporters was obvious enough to show that whatever spewed from their mouths not be taken serious.

Posted March 23, 2009 10:20 AM

Travis McFarlane

This kind of trash disgusts me, I have a cousin serving proudly with the Canadian Forces in Afghanistan.

FOX news serves no relevant purpose in society but to perpetuate the unfortunate and unjust depiction of 'the typical American' If I was an american I would be ashamed that this station is allowed to broadcast to the world on my behalf.

this is why i do not like fox news

Fox News show raises ire by mocking Canadian Forces

Last Updated: Monday, March 23, 2009 | 10:42 AM ET Comments568Recommend364

A government spokesman is calling for U.S. cable network Fox to apologize for a recent broadcast of derogatory comments mocking the Canadian Forces during an over-the-top, late-night show.

Dan Dugas, a spokesman for Defence Minister Peter MacKay, described the remarks made last week on the intentionally inflammatory Red Eye with Greg Gutfeld as "despicable, hurtful and ignorant."

"No one is laughing and they owe Canada — and, more importantly, the families of each one of our fallen heroes — an apology for their ill-informed mistakes," Dugas said.

The extreme late-night cultural commentary show — broadcast on Fox at 3 a.m. ET during the week — is hosted by Gutfeld, a former Maxim and Stuff magazine editor.

He moderates a round table of panelists who deliver off-the-cuff musings and crack jokes about a wide range of topics from the worlds of news, entertainment and sports. Commentators have included comedians, Fox News anchors, actors and Girls Gone Wild founder Joe Francis.

'… the Canadian military wants to take a breather to do some yoga, paint landscapes, run on the beach in gorgeous white Capri pants.'— Greg Gutfeld, Fox News moderator

In the five-minute segment broadcast last week, Gutfeld mocked the Canadian Forces, noting Lt.-Gen. Andrew Leslie's recent comment that the military may need a year to recover after Canada's mission in Afghanistan ends in 2011.

"Meaning, the Canadian military wants to take a breather to do some yoga, paint landscapes, run on the beach in gorgeous white Capri pants," Gutfeld said.

"I didn't even know they were in the war," panellist and comedian Doug Benson added. "I thought that's where you go if you don't want to fight. Go chill in Canada."

The panellists continued by joking about invading Canada and also poking fun at the RCMP.

Canadian soldiers, who have been fighting in Afghanistan since 2001, have spent the last four years in the country's most violent regions. On Friday, military officials announced that four more Canadian soldiers were killed and eight others were wounded in two separate roadside bomb blasts outside Kandahar, in southern Afghanistan.

Canadians express outrage

The Red Eye segment has sparked outrage from a range of Canadians, including thousands of comments on YouTube and Facebook.

"Our soldiers are dying for them and they have the audacity and the ignorance … to say something like that, it is insulting. It's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard," Sam Warren told CBC News after watching the segment.

The segment also drew criticism from Conservative author, columnist and commentator David Frum.

"The clip in question is a sequence of goofs about the feebleness, uselessness and absurdity of the Canadian armed forces. Why would I call that dumb? Here's why," Frum says on his New Majority.com blog before listing the Canadian soldiers, aid workers and a diplomat who have been killed in Afghanistan since 2002.

"Sorry I disrespected your show, Red Eye fans, but you disrespected the dead," Frum adds.

Sunday, March 22, 2009

How stupid can the PMO be!!

MISSISSAUGA, Ont. — Prime Minister Stephen Harper set his sights on the federal long gun registry Saturday, asking a meeting of recreational sportsmen to help him build enough support in Parliament to scrap the registry.

Harper urged members of the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters to contact opposition MPs and pressure them to support legislation that would target the six year old program.

"We are looking to unite a majority of MPs in repealing the long gun registry," Harper told the group in a speech.

"The leaders of the opposition parties continue to be against this. But there are MPs in all these parties that know what we know, that law-abiding hunters and farmers are not part of the crime problem."

"I challenge you to press these MPs to follow their consciences."

In its entire lifetime, Harper's minority government has never brought a bill to abolish the registry to a vote, fearing there would not be enough support in the House of Commons.

Instead, the Tories have reduced the registry's budget and brought in fee waivers and amnesty for gun owners who haven't registered.

After Harper's plea to gunowners to get more involved, an official with the Prime Minister's Office frantically contacted the media to point out there is no government legislation currently before the House of Commons.

Dimitri Soudas would not say if the bill from the Tories' first mandate that died on the order paper would ever be re-introduced.

"We urge opposition MPs to work with the government in order to put an end to a wasteful program that did nothing to prevent crime," Soudas said in an email.

"(The registry) really should be abolished. He (Harper) is absolutely correct," said Frank DiRocco, an avid hunter and angler from Woodbridge, Ont., who was attending the Federation's 81st annual general meeting where Harper spoke.

"Hunters are not the ones on the streets breaking the law - they're enjoying the sport and the country," he said, adding he wants to teach his 12-year-old son to understand nature and respect the nation's resources, but feels the registry makes this very difficult.

Jim Magee, a cattle farmer from Drumbo, Ont., near Woodstock, called the registry "aggravation."

He said wild animals, like coyotes, will sometimes kill his livestock.

"As soon as I get my gun out and get my ammunition that's locked away, the coyote is a mile away," Magee said, who is also a former police officer.

"But if I keep (my gun) out and it gets stolen, I'm in trouble."

The registry was brought in by the former Liberal administration and has been constantly derided by the Conservatives for being a source of cost overruns and unnecessary red tape.

Harper told those gathered the registry was a prime example of how the previous government's approach to criminal justice was flawed.

"Instead of action on crime, we got the federal long gun registry, which became a bloated bureaucratic nightmare to responsible hunters, farmers and rural Canadians," he said.

"It cost taxpayers some $2 billion and it hasn't done a thing to reduce gun crime."

Magee said he was upset when the long gun registry was put in place for that very reason.

"It was a useless exercise to appease an urban population," he said.

"I don't have a problem with reasonable precautions - safe storage, and having an acquisition license."

Harper received applause as he told the group Ottawa is currently reviewing the Federation's "positive" proposal for legislation that recognizes Canada's recreational hunting and angling heritage enshrines their rights and responsibilities.

Harper made his comments as Vancouver has seen an recent upswing in gangland related firearm murders, although he never touched on the issue in his Saturday speech.

"(The registry cost is) huge money that could have been used in a lot of other areas instead of a falsehood - letting people believe it's going to solve crime," said Todd Orton, from Midland, Ont.

"That's not what the records are showing."

Harper also used the speech to convey condolences and make note of the "sacrifices" Canadian soldiers have made a day after four were killed in Afghanistan.

"We stand in awe and will stand in eternal remembrance of their devotion to their fellow human beings and to our country," he said.

Saturday, March 21, 2009

whare is my pen???

An Important Message to the Government of Canada
about U.S. Iraq War Resisters
January 26, 2009

The Right Honourable Stephen Harper, PC, MP, Prime Minister
The Honourable Jason Kenney, PC, MP, Minister of Citizenship, Immigration and Multiculturalism
House of Commons, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6

Dear Prime Minister, Minister, and Members of the Government Caucus:

On June 3, 2008, the House of Commons passed a motion calling for the government to:

“...immediately implement a program to allow conscientious objectors and their immediate family members (partners and dependents), who have refused or left military service related to a war not sanctioned by the United Nations and do not have a criminal record, to apply for permanent resident status and remain in Canada.”

That motion further recommended that the government should:

“...immediately cease any removal or deportation actions that may have already commenced against such individuals.”

Since then, on July 15, you allowed Robin Long, a United States soldier who had fled to Canada after refusing to take part in the Iraq War, to be deported.

Upon his return to the U.S., Robin was punished for acting on his objections to this unsanctioned war by refusing to fight and for speaking out while he was in Canada.

He is now serving a 15-month jail sentence as a prisoner of conscience and was given a felony conviction that will cause him hardship for the rest of his life—including preventing him from visiting his Canadian son in Ontario—because you did not stop him from being deported.

Canada has a well-founded tradition of welcoming war resisters such as Robin and the estimated 200 other U.S. soldiers who have sought refuge here since the Iraq War began.

Now more than ever, it is obvious that Canada made the right decision not to take part in this unnecessary conflict and even you, Mr. Prime Minister, have agreed that the Iraq War is "absolutely an error".

Amnesty International wrote to you, Minister Kenney, earlier this month to communicate its condemnation of the, "...forced removal from Canada of individuals who conscientiously express their opposition to serving with U.S. forces in Iraq" because it "does not generally believe that there are reasonable options open to individuals who conscientiously object to military service with U.S. forces in Iraq."

As a country, Canadians continue to face a major economic crisis that demands the utmost attention. Members of Parliament need not be distracted from the task at hand by matters that should have been solved previously, nor should time be wasted re-taking decisions that have already been taken by our democratically elected representatives and are supported by the majority of Canadians.

With five Iraq War resisters—Chris Teske, Cliff Cornell, Kimberly Rivera, Patrick Hart and Dean Walcott, most of them combat veterans—facing deportation before the end of this month, we write to respectfully urge you to take action on behalf of the 64 per cent majority of Canadians who agree to give these U.S. soldiers, their immediate families and all Iraq War resisters who are here, the opportunity to remain in Canada as permanent residents.

Please implement the June 3, 2008 motion in support of war resisters today.

Yours Sincerely,
(add your name)


Ursula M. Franklin C.C. FRSC

University Professor Emerita,
Senior Fellow Massey College


Lawrence Hill
Writer

Anton Kuerti, OC, PhD
Internationally renowned solo pianist

Michelle Landsberg, OC
Award-winning writer, social activist and feminist

Stephen Lewis
Former UN Ambassador

Mary Jo Leddy, CM, PhD

Writer, theologian and activist

Tony Clarke
Executive Director, Polaris Institute

Michael C. Klein, MD
Emeritus Professor of Family Practice and Pediatrics, Universityof British Columbia

Elizabeth E. May, OC
Leader, Green Party of Canada

Judy Rebick
CAW Sam Gindin Chair in Social Justice and Democracy, Ryerson University

John Hagan, PhD, FRSC
University Professor Emeritus, University of Toronto

Alex Atamanenko
Member of Parliament, B.C. Southern Interior

Govind Rao
McMaster University

Dale Dewar (Dr.)
Clerk, Canadian Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)

Camilo Mejia
Chairperson of the Board, Iraq Veterans Against the War (U.S.)

Fred Franklin

Jean Symes

Vera Frenkel, FRSC, RCA
Artist-in Residence, University of Toronto, Governor General's Award Laureate

Mike Ford
Musician (formerly of Moxy Fruvous)

Ali Kazimi
Film-maker/Asst. Professor, York University

Dee Knight
former editor, AMEX-Canada (1968-74), founding organizer and board member, National Council for Universal & Unconditional Amnesty (1973-77)

John B. Chadwick
Retired Navy Lieutenant (officer level O3), Life Member, Veterans For Peace (U.S.)

Joyce Smith
Tucson, AZ

Tzeporah Berman
Environmentalist

Linda Newton
Vietnam Veteran, member, Veterans For Peace, Seattle, WA

Collette Lemieux
co-chair, Canadian Peace Alliance
Calgary, Alberta


Dr. Barbara Glancy
Portland, OR

Bruce L. Beyer
Vietnam era war resister, Buffalo, NY

Ron Rancourt
Chelsea, QC

Don Currie
Slocan, BC

Mel Earley
Halifax, NS

David Pankratz
Director, Institute for Community Peacebuilding, Winnipeg, Manitoba

Roger Rolfe
Toronto, Ontario

Denise and William Conway
American War Resisters, 1969, Toronto, Ontario

Thomas P. Radcliffe
Franciscan Brother, Victoria, BC

Nathan Medcalf
Burlingon, ON

Richard Medernach
Saskatoon Peace Coalition, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan


David Heap
People for Peace, London, Ontario


Elenor Taves
London, Ontario


Julie Peters
London, Ontario


M. Chuk
Montreal, PQ


Terry Zehr
Valleyview Mennonite Church, London, Ontario


Brad Bossack
Tumbler Ridge,BC

Chris Stroud
Halifax, NS

Joan Wallace
Nanaimo, BC

Michelle LeBlanc
Fredericton, NB

Daniel W Metzger
Nelson, BC

Hagit Fishman
Toronto, Ontario

Andrea Meister
Chilliwack, BC

Karen Palsson
Winnipeg, MB

Cornelia Maher
Augsber, Germany


Michael Truscello
Hamilton, ON


Susan B. Boyd
Professor of Law, UBC, Vancouver, BC


Reynold Reimer
Calgary, AB


Sandra Stephenson
Teacher, Montreal, PQ


Stephen LaFrenie
Green Party shadow cabinet - International cooperation/CIDA portfolio


Rose DeShaw
Kingston, ON

Stephen Peppin
Oxford University/Research Fellow, Stratford

Tina Gauthier
Mississauga, ON

Allison Smith
Greenwich, NS

Collin Whitehouse
Cobourg, ON

David Wade
Atchison, Kansas

Nebojsa Piha
Vancouver, BC

Erich Jacoby-Hawkins
Green Party shadow cabinet - Human Resources Portfolio, Barrie, ON

Catharine Johannson
Winnipeg, MB

Peter Votsch
Mississauga Coalition for Peace & Justice, Mississauga, ON

Leonard Sawatsky
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan

Krista Benoit
Ottawa, ON

Gillian Ashton
Ottawa , ON

Chris Ormsby
London, ON

Jack Bridges
Idaho Falls







The Right Reverend David Giuliano
Moderator, The United Church of Canada

Maude Barlow
National Chairperson, Council of Canadians

Joy Kogawa, CM, OBC
Author

Jane Orion Smith
General Secretary, Canadian Friends Service Committee (Quakers)

Very Rev. Bill Phipps
Former Moderator, United Church of Canada

Antonia Zerbisias
Columnist, Toronto Star

Michael Lynk
Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Western Ontario

Gina Barber
Controller, City of London

Martin Duckworth
Award-winning documentary film-maker

M. Jane Pritchard, M.D.,
C.C. F.P., F.C.F.P.


Réjean Robidoux. PhD, FRSC
Professor Emeritus, University of Ottawa

Donald Lafleur
4th National Vice-President, Canadian Union of Postal Workers

Peggy Nash
Assistant to the President, CAW

James Clark
Ontario representative, Canadian Peace Alliance

Kelly Dougherty
Executive Director, Iraq Veterans Against the War (U.S.)

Mrs. Joanne L. Cvar
member, Green Party Peace Network

Edward Hasbrouck
San Francisco, CA

Derrick O'Keefe
Editor, rabble.ca, Co-chair, StopWar Coalition Vancouver

David Fennario
Playwright

Mary Ellen Davis
Award-winning documentary film-maker

Velcrow Ripper
Film Director

b.h. Yael
Artist/Film-maker, Professor, Ontario College of Art & Design

Chris Cook
Managing Editor, Pacific Free Press

Dennis W. Mills, PhD
U.S. Army (1966-1969), Vietnam Veteran / Veterans for Peace – the Rachel Corrie Chapter 109, Olympia, WA

Tana Hastings
War Resisters League, Portland, OR

Kaim Kassam
Calgary, Alberta

Ivy Rose Nightscales Williams

International Action Center, Seattle, WA

Imam Jamal Taleb
London Muslim Mosque

Judy Wapp
Artist/writer, Nelson, BC

Pat Garrison
Mental health researcher/writer, Slater, SC

Frances Smith
Toronto, ON

Cortney K. Dakin
London, Ontario

Kaitlyn Lankin Kratz
Kitchener, Ontario

John L. Whelan
Grand Falls-Windsor, NL

Mary Ann Steggles
Winnipeg, Manitoba

Marguerite Warner
Winnipeg, Manitoba

Hossam Amin
Montreal, PQ

Richard Lewis
LSPIRG, Kitchener, Ontario

J.C. Locatelli
Halifax, Nova Scotia

Alexandra Baron
London, Ontario

Patricia Hartman
Penetanguishine, Ontario

Charleen Jongejan Harder
Pastor,Valleyview Mennonite Church, London, Ontario

Gloriz Janzen
London, Ontario

Teresa Rutten
London, Ontario

Ruth Martin
London, Ontario

Kendall Jongejan Harder
Pastor, London, Ontario

Dianne Fortney
R.N., London, Ontario

Stephen Orlov
Professor, John Abbott College, Montreal, PQ

MK Emre
Toronto, Ontario

Aaron Keeler
London, Ontario

Allison Rose
Gabriola, BC

Susan Best
Winnipeg, MB

David Wood
Freelance writer, Mildmay, ON

Muriel Heaton
Midland, ON

Elizabeth Pickett
Whitby, ON

Elizabeth O'Connor
member of Peaceworks, Midland, ON

Kyle Hodnett
Fredericton, NB

DeEtte Waleed
member, Fellowship of Reconciliation, Portland, Oregon

Michelle Thompson
Toronto, ON

Laura Savinkoff
Chair, Boundary Peace Initiative, Grand Forks, BC

John Dorn
Summerland, BC

Rose Tavelli
Toronto, ON

Lawrence Levy
Winnipeg, Manitoba

C. Raven Nichols
Charlottetown, PEI

Peter A. H. Johnston
Federal Councilor, Green Party of Canada, Edmonton, Alberta

Ellen Michelson
Green Party Shadow Cabinet - Peace & Security Portfolio, Toronto, ON

Amy Collard
Green Party of Canada, Natural Resources Critic, Burlington, ON

Marlene Epp
Associate Professor, Peace & Conflict Studies, University of Waterloo

Melissa Devlin
Ottawa, ON

Paul Kemp
President National Executive, Canadian Action Party, Scotsburn, NS

E Ann Bending
Bright's Grove , ON




Ann-Marie MacDonald
Novelist, playwright and actor

Shirley Douglas, OC
Actress

Ken Georgetti, CM, OBC
President, Canadian Labour Congress

Ken Lewenza

National President, CAW

Ken Neumann
National Director for Canada, United Steelworkers

Paul Moist
National President, Canadian Union of Public Employees

James Clancy
President, National Union of Public and General Employees

Wayne Samuelson
President, Ontario Federation of Labour

Michael Byers
Canada Research Chair in Global Politics and International Law, University of British Columbia

Bernice Friesen
Novelist

Ester Reiter
Associate Professor, School of Social Sciences, York University

Michael Connolly
Documentary film-maker

Carolyn Egan
President, Steelworker Toronto Area Council

Denise Hammond
President, CUPE Local 1281

Ted Dyck, PhD
Writer and editor, Moose Jaw, SK

Esther Epp-Tiessen
Peace Ministries Program
Mennonite Central Commitee Canada


Arnold Kotler
President and Publisher, Koa Books (Kihei, Hawaii)

Larry Towell
Photographer

Richard Fung
Video artist, Professor, Ontario College of Art and Design

John Greyson
Film-maker, Professor, York University

Carole Condé and Karl Beveridge
Artists

Peggy Gale
Independent Curator, Toronto

Mike Woloshin
Veterans for Peace, Chicago Area Chapter 26,

Dave Bergen
Executive Secretary, Christian Formation, Mennonite Church Canada, Winnipeg, MB

Ellliot Stoller
Independent Media Center, Seattle, WA

Mrs. Irene Bachelder
Kenwood, CA

Christopher John Teske
Former Specialist US Army, Deserter – Deported from Canada

Dick Cotterill
Businessman; Vietnam era resister, Truro, NS

Lorraine Michael, MHA Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi; Leader, New Democratic Party of Newfoundland & Labrador

Helen Lofgren
Halifax, NS

Julie Barker
Midland, Ontario

Kim Vincent
Montreal, Quebec

Velcrow Ripper
Film Director

Karen King
London, Ontario

Wiyula Graham
Victoria, BC

Chris Powell
Fredericton, NB

Diane V. McLoughlin
Publisher, Woodlawn

Ashley Ansley
Temagami, Ontario

Valérie Prat
London, Ontario

Julie Michaud
Fredericton, NB

Victor Fast
London, Ontario

Kathleen Gallivan
Toronto, Ontario

Lorraine McNeil
Professor, Fanshawe College, London, Ontario

Yasmine El-Sabawi
London, Ontario

Mathieu Cain
London, Ontario

Cory Morningstar
Chair, Council of Canadians - London, London, Ontario

Rick Telfer
London, Ontario

Julie Mahfood
Writer, Beaconsfield, PQ

Scott Walmsley
London, Ontario

Roger Beck
Toronto, Ontario

Janet Beck
Toronto, Ontario

Francesco Ciabattoni
Halifax, NS

Surjit Sahota
Brampton, ON

Matthew Bin
Writer, former member of the Canadian Forces, Oakville, ON

Bob L. DeMarco
Bright's Grove, ON

Tonia Huculak
Edmonton, AB

Pauli Sommer
educator/artist, Dungannon, ON

George Richards
Kootenay Region Branch UNAC / V, PCastlegar, BC

Mai Nguyen
Journalism Student, Ryerson University, Toronto, ON

Kristina Pultz
Edmonton, Albert

SuMei Cheung
Oakville, ON

Brigid Kemp
President, South Okanagan Boundar Labour Council, Penticton, BC

Roberts Eweshen
Creston, BC

Calum Csunyoscka
Toronto, ON

Valerie Powell
Green Party Candidate,
Coldwater, Ontario

Bill Clary
Leader, Saskatchewan

Ard Van Leeuwen
Caledon, ON

Cathy MacLellan
Waterloo, ON

Ted Finnigan
Ottawa, ON

David Hart Dyke
Stoney Creek, ON

David Donaldson
Vancouver, BC

Carrie McLaren
Burnaby, BC





Alexandre Trudeau
Film-maker and journalist

Wayson Choy, CM
Writer

R H Thomson
Actor and director

Katherine Giroux-Bougard
National Chairperson,
Canadian Federation of Students


Cathy Crowe, RN
Author and street nurse

Janet Davis, Paula Fletcher, Joe Mihevc, Gord Perks, Adam Vaughan

Councillors, City of Toronto, Ontario

James Loney
Member of Christian Peacemaker Teams held hostage in Iraq

Gordon Cressy & Joanne Campbell

Angus McLaren, PhD, FRSC
Distinguished Professor Emeritus, University of Victoria

Ron Hawkins
Musician

Dave Hubert

Christian Peacemakers International

Merrill Stewart

Clerk, Canadian Friends Service Committee (Quakers)

Jim Stanford
Economist and Author, CAW

Robert Ramsay
Chair, CUPE Local 3902

Chantal Sundaram
CUPE 3902 Staff Representative

Elliott Adams
President, Veterans For Peace (U.S.)

John Weier
Writer and Luthier, Manitoba

James S. Moy
Dean, Faculty of Art,
Ontario College of Art & Design

Gerry Condon

Director, Project Safe Haven (U.S.)

June Schumacher
Fellowship of Reconciliation, Seattle, WA

Linda Jansen
Seattle, WA

S. Jenika
Vietnam Veteran, Portland, OR

Mary Kay Ryan
Chicago, Illinois

Elihu Edelson
World War II veteran, Purple Heart

Dorli T Rainey
Seattle, WA

Georgina Rhéaume
Winnipeg Peace Coalition

David Beringer
Nelson, BC

Kimberly Scot
Teacher, Nelson, BC

Victor Enns
writer and editor, Winnipeg, MB

Lauren Smith

Waterloo, Ontario

Dr. Munir El-Kassem
Imam, Islamic Centre of South-West Ontario

Bart Gerald
Author, Ottawa, Ontario

S. Joan Tate
Toronto, Ontario

Diane Allen
Toronto, Ontario

Masud Sheikh
Oakville, Ontario

Stephen D'Arcy
Department of Philosophy, Huron University College, London, Ontario

Lia Brewer
Toronto, Ontario

Gary Onderisin
Guelph, Ontario

Anton Wagner
Cultural Historian, York University, Toronto, Ontario

Kelly Dowdell
Calgary, Alberta

Tracy Glynn
Fredericton, NB

Angela Bischoff
Greenspiration, Toronto, ON

Homaira Siddiqui
London, Ontario

Joe Gibbons
Welland, Ontario

E.Hope Richards
Penetanguishine, Ontario

Louisa Szacon
Centre for Social Concern, Mississauga, Ontario

Lizzie Bergie
London, Ontario

Javier Davila
Branch President, OSSTF12 Parkdale CI and Educators for Peace and Justice, Toronto, Ontario

Jean Johnston
London, Ontario

Julie Stahlbaum
Hamilton, Ontario

Dave Shaw
Atlantic Regional Organizer, P.S.A.C., Halifax, NS

John Gilmore
Member, The Writers' Union of Canada, Montreal, PQ

Christine Ilott
Richmond Hill, Ontario

Lisa McMurry, MD
Gatineau, PQ

Caterina Fava
Halifax, NS

Doreen Good
Exeter, ON

Laura Kaminker
Writer, Activst, Mississauga, ON

Nancy Wolchok
Langley, BC

Hassan Hussseini
Ottawa, ON

Margot Izzard
Duncan, BC

Alissa Carnall
Charters Settlement, NB

Paul Chislett
Windsor, ON

Steve Staniek
Hamilton Coalition to Stop the War, Hamilton, ON

Allan Wood
Writer, Mississauga, ON

Geraldine Sadoway
Lawyer, Toronto, ON

August J. Ummenhofer
Penticton, BC

Grant Clubine
Winlaw, BC

Harold Funk
Grand Forks, BC

Victoria Ross
MALD, QCSW, Peaceful Conflict Res'n Coord, WNY Peace Ctr, Buffalo, NY

Eric Walton
Green Party of Canada International Affairs Critic, Kingston, ON

Clarke Reese
Waterloo, ON

Joshua Smith
Ottawa, ON

Nada Hijazi
Montreal, Quebec

B. Ross Ashley
SEIU, local 1 Canada; executive member, Toronto, ON

Rebecca L. Geddis
Strathroy, ON

Andrew Phillips
Vietnam Draft Dodger, New Westminster, BC


Friday, March 20, 2009

116 ....KIA

TORONTO (AP) — Four Canadian soldiers were killed and eight others were injured Friday in two separate bombings in Afghanistan, Canada's top general in the country said.

It was one of the deadliest days for Canada since its Afghan mission started in 2002.

"Success in war is costly," Brig. Gen. Jonathan Vance, the commander of Canadian troops in Afghanistan, said at a news conference in Kandahar. "We are determined to succeed so that Afghan lives improve, but the insurgents are equally determined to challenge and prevent Afghanistan from flourishing as the nation it so wants to be."

He said two soldiers died and five were wounded in an explosion during a morning foot patrol in the Zhari district, west of Kandahar. He said an Afghan interpreter also died.

Vance said two other soldiers died and three were wounded when a roadside bomb exploded in the Shah Wali Kot district, northwest of Kandahar.

The deaths bring to 116 the number of Canadian soldiers who have died as part of the Afghan mission since it began in 2002. Canada has about 2,500 soldiers in Afghanistan, mostly in the volatile south.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper said during the election campaign last fall that Canada would pull its troops out in 2011. President Barack Obama declined to ask war-weary Canada to stay longer in Afghanistan when he visited Ottawa last month.

Vance asked Canadians to remember that the soldiers believed both in the mission and in their jobs.

"Please do not think of this as a failure on the part of any person or of the mission itself," Vance said.

All of the soldiers were taking part in a major operation aimed at attacking Taliban command centers and supply lines.

Tuesday, March 17, 2009

a facebook Group we all need to join!!!!.

Ordinary Canadians DO SUPPORT the Arts, Mr. Harper. You are dead wrong.


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The September 24, 2008 Toronto Star carried a story saying that Prime Minister Stephen Harper believes that ordinary Canadians do not support nor care about art or artists in this country (ergo, he cut funding drastically). I, and thousands of other Canadians think his is dead wrong on this issue. What is a country, a people, without a vibrant arts community?

We are a small country by population. Government helps underwrite arts. Rich patrons help continue the arts. But it is the great masses of ordinary folk who put their bums in seats and attend events and buy art and music and books and more who make art real and accepted.

We attend the museums and galleries. We attend the folk festivals, film fests, music fests, theatre companies (large and small), and small town craft fairs. We are watching more Canadian films and television shows. We are the ones who buy CDs, DVDs, paintings, sculpture, pottery, posters, and everything else. Those all generate tax revenues that help fund the arts we are supporting with our own wallets. It's cyclical and a good investment.

Want to help? Join this group and raise your voice. If you can vote, VOTE! Want to read more? Pick up the latest issue of Existere Journal of Arts and Literature and read my editorial. Also, read, read, read. Become an informed voter. Don't just take it from me. Read the newspapers and sites from coast to coast.

Mr. Harper is wrong on arts funding and he must be made to understand that real people - ordinary Canadians - really do support the arts.

Regardless of your political stripe. Send Mr. Harper a message through this site AND through your local candidates that you want arts funding restored.

Thanks! -- Pass it on...!

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Les Canadiens Ordinaires SONT en faveur des Arts, M. Harper. Vous vous êtes trompé.

Le Toronto Star du 24 septembre 2008 contenait un article qui disait que le Premier Ministre, Stephen Harper, croit que les Canadiens ordinaires ne supportent et ne s’intéressent ni aux arts ni aux artistes de ce pays (il a donc diminué de façon drastique le financement). Moi-même et des milliers d'autres Canadiens pensons qu’il s’est trompé. Qu’est-ce qu’un pays, un peuple, sans une communauté artistique vibrante?

La population du Canada est petite par rapport à la taille de son territoire. Le gouvernement subventionne les arts. Des mécènes contribuent aux développement des arts. Mais, ce sont les grandes masses ordinaires qui se déplacent pour assister aux évènements culturels, qui achètent de l’art, de la musique, des livres. Plus important encore, ce sont eux qui font que l'art est réel et reconnu.

Nous fréquentons les musées, les théâtres (grands ou petits), les galeries d’art, les festivals folkloriques ou de musique et les foires locales et provinciales. Ce sont nous qui achetons les CD, les DVD, les tableaux, les sculptures, la poterie, les affiches et tous les autres produits artistiques. Ceci génère des revenus sous forme de taxes. Nous soutenons les arts avec l'argent de nos bourses en fait. C'est de l'argent qui roule, c'est un bon investissement.

Souhaitez-vous aider? Joignez-vous à ce groupe et faites entendre vos voix. Si vous le pouvez, votez. VOTEZ! Vous souhaitez lire plus à ce sujet? Consultez le dernier numéro de EXISTERE Journal of the Arts and Literature et lisez mon éditorial (en anglais). Lisez, lisez, lisez. Soyez des électeurs informés. Ne vous informez pas qu'auprès de moi. Lisez la presse et consultez les sites internet de tout le pays.

Quelque soit votre affiliation politique, envoyez à Monsieur Harper un message par l'entremise de ce site ET par l'intermédiaire de vos élus locaux et faites lui savoir que vous souhaitez qu'il rétablisse les fonds attribués aux Arts.

Merci! Faites circuler!

(Merci to member Andrea Sales, Charles Turgeon, and Remi Caudron for the translation and corrections.)

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UPDATE (Sept 25, 2pm, Toronto): Thanks everyone! Your support is very encouraging. Lost of discussion and postings of other kinds. This is great! This group has existed for 30 hours and it already has over 7,000 members from coast to coast and a few beyond our borders. Keep spreading the word!

UPDATE (Sept 25, Toronto): We are at 11,000 members. If this group cracks 17,100 members, it will have more than all four national parties' official FB sites combined. There is strength in numbers!
Con = 5333
Lib = 3068
NDP = 3069
Green = 5626

UPDATE (Sept 25, 9pm, Toronto): We are at 15,000+ in just over 48 hours - that's 15,000 people who think the PM is dead wrong on his arts policies.

Great work everybody. Keep the chatter up and keep it clean and civil please. Keep spreading the word.

Note to racists and extremists: Your posts will be removed upon discovery. Take your slurs elsewhere. You are not welcome here. This is a place for open discourse and I'll give a lot of leeway, but I will not condone racist postings, postings suggesting violence, postings that harass, or postings portraying the PM as Satan or Hitler - that's going too far. Mr. Harper IS the PM and may be so again. If you don't like him, vote against him. If you are too young to vote, then volunteer for a party of your choice and help out that way. Spreading hate is not an option.

UPDATE (Sept 26, 1:30pm, Toronto): In only 54 hours of existence, this group now has MORE members than official Facebook sites for ALL FOUR major Canadian political parties COMBINED. Congrats everyone. Now start posting this site everywhere you can so we can try to double that over the weekend. Start contacting your local media, too. Don't forget to ask your candidates where they stand on arts support (plus other important issues important to you).

Sept 28: KEEP THE DISCOURSE CIVIL, PLEASE. Name calling and insults are not only rude, they are not necessary. Passions can run high both for and against this issue but let's respect our differences and stick to the issues at hand. This group is NOT meant to be an anti-Harper or anti-CPC group. It IS meant to be a pro-arts site with room for dissent and chatter from any political stripe. I want free and open debate here, not a mud-slinging pit. Keep it real folks. There are a lot of really good discussions, posts, and so forth. PERSONAL ATTACKS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. Attack the argument, not the person. Those violating my simple rules of conduct and/or Facebook's Terms of Use policies will be asked to stop. Those who do not will be reported to Facebook and/or banned from this site. Keep it civil or take it elsewhere.

UPDATE (Sept 30, 10:30pm, Toronto): Yesterday, we passed 40,000 members in only five days. Obviously, Canadians feel passionately about arts in Canada. Keep the discussions going. Feel free to post your art or art that is related to the issue at hand. I'll give a lot of leeway, but this is NOT a place to post advertising for commercial ventures, dating sites, or material on George W. Bush, the U.S. election, etc. Voting day is only two weeks away. If you can't make that date, make your vote count at an advance poll. Cheers and keep supporting the arts.

UPDATE (October 01, 2008): Racist garbage and propaganda in text or visual posts will not be tolerated. They will be removed. Visual posts of dozens upon dozens of images not remotely related to the issues this site is supporting will be removed - particularly if it is by one person jamming any given section(s).

UPDATE (Oct 02, 10:00 pm, Toronto): We passed 50,000 members in only 10 days. Truly, this is a much greater response than I could have anticipated. There is a lot of excellent discussions going on. Keep it up.

UPDATE (Oct 10, 6:00 am, Toronto): Fifteen days ago, when I started this site, I thought I'd get a few hundred interested persons discussing the arts issue. I'm pleased, surprised, and amazed at the incredible response. We are now at 60,000 members and growing. Thank you all for your support.

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http://www.elections.ca

http://www.conservative.ca/
http://www.greenparty.ca/
http://www.liberal.ca
http://www.ndp.ca/
http://www.presentpourlequebec.org

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With just 7 days to go, the Conservatives FINALLY released their platform. To compare them, go here:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080929.wplatformsfeature0929/BNStory/Front

To read them each in detail, go here:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/features/2008-election-campaign-political-party-platforms

http://www3.thestar.com/static/election/quiz/index.html <--- QUIZ

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Edward Fenner discussed the new issue of Existere and this facebook site and the political arts issue with Myna Wallin on Ryerson Radio's "In Other Words" program Tuesday, October 14 at 2pm on CKLM FM (88.1 FM) http://www.CKLN.fm on the Internet.

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Since we have two camps that don't get along AND we seem to discuss more than just arts, I created two new sites. Not to worry, this arts site will remain for those interested.

The new sites are:

The Great Canadian Political Cage Match
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=83193865537
This site is for HARDCORE Canadian political junkies wanting a more Wild West environment.

The Great Canadian Political Coffee House of Parliament
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?gid=30239542973
This group is a FAMILY-FRIENDLY site for talking Canadian politics and issues.

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Existere Journal of Arts and Literature, York University
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Recent News

Read The Star article that stirred me to start this FB group: http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/504811

Google search of sites commenting on or linking to this group:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22Ordinary+Canadians+DO+SUPPORT+the+Arts%2C+Mr.+Harper.+You+are+dead+wrong.%22&btnG=Search&meta=

More:

We got a mention in the Vancouver Sun: http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastlife/story.html?id=d79c9337-fcc0-45c6-b8b4-6b2b28a89e4e


http://www.thestar.com/federalelection/article/419595 <--- Poll tracker

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/tell-a-friend/1882782 <--- Petition

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081007.wcocoalition08/BNStory/politics/home <--- Call for a coalition gov't

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081007.welxnpoll1007/BNStory/politics/home

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/features/2008-election-campaign-political-party-platforms

http://www.macleans.ca/columnists/article.jsp?content=20081001_9537_9537&id=8&page=1

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2008/10/02/atwood-blasts-harper-s-dismissal-of-arts-community-he-s-supposed-to-be-good-on-the-economy.aspx

http://www.cbc.ca/mercerreport/videoplayer2.html

http://www.dwatch.ca/camp/RelsOct0108.html

http://www.liberal.ca/story_14850_e.aspx

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080930.wvharperhowardspeech0930/VideoStory/politics/home?pid=RTGAM.20080930.welexnplagiarism0930

http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/508742

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080929/election2008_ignatieff_attack_080929/20080929?s_name=election2008

http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/507391

http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/507392

http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/507988

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080928.WConservativeplatform29/BNStory/politics/home

http://www.cfrb.com/node/796876

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/09/26/john-moore-a-working-man-s-case-for-arts-funding.aspx

http://federalelection2008.scena.org

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080926.wearts26/BNStory/politics/home

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080925.WBTaber20080925184759/WBStory/WBTaber/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080925.wdoyle25/BNStory/Entertainment

http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/505531

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080924.wcoarts25/EmailBNStory/politics/home

http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/2008/09/open-letter-to-stephen-harper.html

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=q3zBPnIYavI

http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=67705440222&ref=mf

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2008/09/24/artist-protests.html?ref=rss

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=b8147cac-db8a-4a48-a282-916f28a002db

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=08d83220-14ab-4e33-9084-9e4363e029f3

http://www.winnipegsun.com/canadavotes/news/2008/09/24/6857986-sun.html

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5jZc66PcGe9k6Enn-Ys8o-MNWjxig

RALLY in Peterborough on Thursday, October 2nd at 5 PM at the Peterborough Lift Locks. Wear black and white. No link at present. Details forthcoming.

EVENT & RALLY in Kingston on October 5

http://artisyourstory.wordpress.com/
http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=26240074825&ref=share

EVENT in Toronto on October 5

http://artisyourstory.wordpress.com/

RALLY in Hamilton on October 7

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=33927746497&ref=mf

RALLY in Toronto on October 8

http://www.new.facebook.com/inbox/#/event.php?eid=39927359816

RALLY in Waterloo, ON region in support of the arts October 11:

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=29350307771


VOTE SWAP site and application:

http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25808609138

OTHER sites of interest:

http://www.ivoteforculture.com

http://www.box.net/shared/static/heqvkr3vf4.mp3 <--- SONG "You Have a Choice" also on http://avaaz.ca/

http://www.perfectthewayweare.ca/

http://www.canadianartscoalition.ca/en/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhaXsa4Czcs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j37sePKTZlM

http://www.voteforenvironment.com

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We got picked up by blogger Charlie Greenberg. Have a look and post fair and intelligent rebuttal:

http://charliegreenberg.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/government-funding-of-the-arts/

We also made York U's Newspaper, The Excalibur:
http://www.excal.on.ca/cms2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6327

Google search of sites commenting on or linking to this group:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22Ordinary+Canadians+DO+SUPPORT+the+Arts%2C+Mr.+Harper.+You+are+dead+wrong.%22&btnG=Search&meta=

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Here's an activist heads up from member Kristalline Kraus...

Prime Minister Harper EVENT in Toronto OCT 10:

This Friday evening at 5:00pm at the Toronto Congress Centre (650 Dixon Road)

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Toronto&state=ON&address=650+Dixon+Road

Please note you will need actual security clearance to attend the inside rally by contacting a Tory candidate/ Please RSVP before Thursday at 6:00pm.

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=28486709379&ref=mf

The September 24, 2008 Toronto Star carried a story saying that Prime Minister Stephen Harper believes that ordinary Canadians do not support nor care about art or artists in this country (ergo, he cut funding drastically). I, and thousands of other Canadians think his is dead wrong on this issue. What is a country, a people, without a vibrant arts community?

We are a small country by population. Government helps underwrite arts. Rich patrons help continue the arts. But it is the great masses of ordinary folk who put their bums in seats and attend events and buy art and music and books and more who make art real and accepted.

We attend the museums and galleries. We attend the folk festivals, film fests, music fests, theatre companies (large and small), and small town craft fairs. We are watching more Canadian films and television shows. We are the ones who buy CDs, DVDs, paintings, sculpture, pottery, posters, and everything else. Those all generate tax revenues that help fund the arts we are supporting with our own wallets. It's cyclical and a good investment.

Want to help? Join this group and raise your voice. If you can vote, VOTE! Want to read more? Pick up the latest issue of Existere Journal of Arts and Literature and read my editorial. Also, read, read, read. Become an informed voter. Don't just take it from me. Read the newspapers and sites from coast to coast.

Mr. Harper is wrong on arts funding and he must be made to understand that real people - ordinary Canadians - really do support the arts.

Regardless of your political stripe. Send Mr. Harper a message through this site AND through your local candidates that you want arts funding restored.

Thanks! -- Pass it on...!

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Les Canadiens Ordinaires SONT en faveur des Arts, M. Harper. Vous vous êtes trompé.

Le Toronto Star du 24 septembre 2008 contenait un article qui disait que le Premier Ministre, Stephen Harper, croit que les Canadiens ordinaires ne supportent et ne s’intéressent ni aux arts ni aux artistes de ce pays (il a donc diminué de façon drastique le financement). Moi-même et des milliers d'autres Canadiens pensons qu’il s’est trompé. Qu’est-ce qu’un pays, un peuple, sans une communauté artistique vibrante?

La population du Canada est petite par rapport à la taille de son territoire. Le gouvernement subventionne les arts. Des mécènes contribuent aux développement des arts. Mais, ce sont les grandes masses ordinaires qui se déplacent pour assister aux évènements culturels, qui achètent de l’art, de la musique, des livres. Plus important encore, ce sont eux qui font que l'art est réel et reconnu.

Nous fréquentons les musées, les théâtres (grands ou petits), les galeries d’art, les festivals folkloriques ou de musique et les foires locales et provinciales. Ce sont nous qui achetons les CD, les DVD, les tableaux, les sculptures, la poterie, les affiches et tous les autres produits artistiques. Ceci génère des revenus sous forme de taxes. Nous soutenons les arts avec l'argent de nos bourses en fait. C'est de l'argent qui roule, c'est un bon investissement.

Souhaitez-vous aider? Joignez-vous à ce groupe et faites entendre vos voix. Si vous le pouvez, votez. VOTEZ! Vous souhaitez lire plus à ce sujet? Consultez le dernier numéro de EXISTERE Journal of the Arts and Literature et lisez mon éditorial (en anglais). Lisez, lisez, lisez. Soyez des électeurs informés. Ne vous informez pas qu'auprès de moi. Lisez la presse et consultez les sites internet de tout le pays.

Quelque soit votre affiliation politique, envoyez à Monsieur Harper un message par l'entremise de ce site ET par l'intermédiaire de vos élus locaux et faites lui savoir que vous souhaitez qu'il rétablisse les fonds attribués aux Arts.

Merci! Faites circuler!

(Merci to member Andrea Sales, Charles Turgeon, and Remi Caudron for the translation and corrections.)

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UPDATE (Sept 25, 2pm, Toronto): Thanks everyone! Your support is very encouraging. Lost of discussion and postings of other kinds. This is great! This group has existed for 30 hours and it already has over 7,000 members from coast to coast and a few beyond our borders. Keep spreading the word!

UPDATE (Sept 25, Toronto): We are at 11,000 members. If this group cracks 17,100 members, it will have more than all four national parties' official FB sites combined. There is strength in numbers!
Con = 5333
Lib = 3068
NDP = 3069
Green = 5626

UPDATE (Sept 25, 9pm, Toronto): We are at 15,000+ in just over 48 hours - that's 15,000 people who think the PM is dead wrong on his arts policies.

Great work everybody. Keep the chatter up and keep it clean and civil please. Keep spreading the word.

Note to racists and extremists: Your posts will be removed upon discovery. Take your slurs elsewhere. You are not welcome here. This is a place for open discourse and I'll give a lot of leeway, but I will not condone racist postings, postings suggesting violence, postings that harass, or postings portraying the PM as Satan or Hitler - that's going too far. Mr. Harper IS the PM and may be so again. If you don't like him, vote against him. If you are too young to vote, then volunteer for a party of your choice and help out that way. Spreading hate is not an option.

UPDATE (Sept 26, 1:30pm, Toronto): In only 54 hours of existence, this group now has MORE members than official Facebook sites for ALL FOUR major Canadian political parties COMBINED. Congrats everyone. Now start posting this site everywhere you can so we can try to double that over the weekend. Start contacting your local media, too. Don't forget to ask your candidates where they stand on arts support (plus other important issues important to you).

Sept 28: KEEP THE DISCOURSE CIVIL, PLEASE. Name calling and insults are not only rude, they are not necessary. Passions can run high both for and against this issue but let's respect our differences and stick to the issues at hand. This group is NOT meant to be an anti-Harper or anti-CPC group. It IS meant to be a pro-arts site with room for dissent and chatter from any political stripe. I want free and open debate here, not a mud-slinging pit. Keep it real folks. There are a lot of really good discussions, posts, and so forth. PERSONAL ATTACKS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. Attack the argument, not the person. Those violating my simple rules of conduct and/or Facebook's Terms of Use policies will be asked to stop. Those who do not will be reported to Facebook and/or banned from this site. Keep it civil or take it elsewhere.

UPDATE (Sept 30, 10:30pm, Toronto): Yesterday, we passed 40,000 members in only five days. Obviously, Canadians feel passionately about arts in Canada. Keep the discussions going. Feel free to post your art or art that is related to the issue at hand. I'll give a lot of leeway, but this is NOT a place to post advertising for commercial ventures, dating sites, or material on George W. Bush, the U.S. election, etc. Voting day is only two weeks away. If you can't make that date, make your vote count at an advance poll. Cheers and keep supporting the arts.

UPDATE (October 01, 2008): Racist garbage and propaganda in text or visual posts will not be tolerated. They will be removed. Visual posts of dozens upon dozens of images not remotely related to the issues this site is supporting will be removed - particularly if it is by one person jamming any given section(s).

UPDATE (Oct 02, 10:00 pm, Toronto): We passed 50,000 members in only 10 days. Truly, this is a much greater response than I could have anticipated. There is a lot of excellent discussions going on. Keep it up.

UPDATE (Oct 10, 6:00 am, Toronto): Fifteen days ago, when I started this site, I thought I'd get a few hundred interested persons discussing the arts issue. I'm pleased, surprised, and amazed at the incredible response. We are now at 60,000 members and growing. Thank you all for your support.

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http://www.elections.ca

http://www.conservative.ca/
http://www.greenparty.ca/
http://www.liberal.ca
http://www.ndp.ca/
http://www.presentpourlequebec.org

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With just 7 days to go, the Conservatives FINALLY released their platform. To compare them, go here:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080929.wplatformsfeature0929/BNStory/Front

To read them each in detail, go here:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/features/2008-election-campaign-political-party-platforms

http://www3.thestar.com/static/election/quiz/index.html <--- QUIZ

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Edward Fenner discussed the new issue of Existere and this facebook site and the political arts issue with Myna Wallin on Ryerson Radio's "In Other Words" program Tuesday, October 14 at 2pm on CKLM FM (88.1 FM) http://www.CKLN.fm on the Internet.


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Since we have two camps that don't get along AND we seem to discuss more than just arts, I created two new sites. Not to worry, this arts site will remain for those interested.

The new sites are:

The Great Canadian Political Cage Match
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=83193865537
This site is for HARDCORE Canadian political junkies wanting a more Wild West environment.

The Great Canadian Political Coffee House of Parliament
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?gid=30239542973
This group is a FAMILY-FRIENDLY site for talking Canadian politics and issues.

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PRESS RELEASE #1 - December 01, 2008

http://www.yorku.ca/existere/PRESS_RELEASE_Dec_01_2008_EFenner.doc

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