Saturday, December 15, 2012


Check against delivery RULING ON THE POINT OF ORDERRAISED ON NOVEMBER 29, 2012 BYTHE HON. HOUSE LEADER FOR THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION(MR. CULLEN)REGARDING THE REPORT STAGE PROCEEDINGS ON BILL C-45, A SECOND ACT TO IMPLEMENT CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF THE BUDGET TABLED IN PARLIAMENT ON MARCH 29, 2012 AND OTHER MEASURES December 12, 2012 2 As I committed to do on November 29, 2012, I am now prepared toprovide the House with a more comprehensive ruling on the points of order raised on November 28, 2012, by the hon. House Leaders for the OfficialOpposition (Mr. Cullen) and the Government (Mr. Van Loan) regarding thereport stage proceedings on Bill C-45, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 29, 2012 and other measures. In making their interventions, both House Leaders made two kinds of arguments. First, they made what the Chair would characterize as strictlytechnical procedural points related to the mechanics of report stage for Bill C-45. At the same time, they shared other views with the House onbroader issues, such as the role of the Speaker in general and in relation toreport stage, the role of the House and of the Speaker in a majority setting,and the role and rights of independent Members in relation to report stage.In its earlier ruling on some of the purely procedural matters raisedin these points of order, the Chair outlined the rationale for its selection for debate and grouping for voting purposes of motions at report stage of Bill C-45, in particular motions to delete. Motions to delete were apreoccupation for both House Leaders: the Opposition House Leader wanted the Speaker to select them all and allow separate votes on all of them, while the Government House Leader did not want me to select any of them, to avoid votes altogether. As I explained to the House on November 29, 2012, there are severalprecedents to justify not only the selection of motions to delete for debateat report stage, but also to justify their grouping for voting purposes.These are long-standing practices of the House. References made bythe Opposition House Leader to rulings by Speakers Jerome and Fraser,while of interest, fail to take into account the evolution of our procedures asthey relate to report stage, particularly the very clear direction included inthe notes to Standing Orders 76(5) and 76.1(5) since 2001. These notesoutline the desire of the House to circumscribe report stage, and instructthe Speaker to select motions for debate in accordance with certain criteria,to ensure that report stage is not a mere repetition of the committee stage. 3 As I stated in my ruling on November 29 (Debates, p. 12611): “ in theabsence of specific guidance from the House with regard to motions todelete and other matters raised in the points of order, the Speaker cannot unilaterally modify the well-established current practice. ” Despite the brevityof the ruling, the Chair believes it puts to rest any ambiguity they mayhave perceived with regard to the Chair’s approach to the fundamentalprocedural aspects of selection and voting processes as they relate tomotions at report stage.With regard to the broader issues raised by the two House Leaders,the Chair intends to address them thematically, beginning with a discussionon the role of the Speaker. House of Commons Procedure and Practice , Second Edition, at page307, states that it is the duty of the Speaker:(quote) “…to ensure that public business is transacted efficiently and that the interests of all parts of the House are advocated and protected against the use of arbitrary authority. It is in this spirit that the Speaker, as the chief servant of the House, applies the rules.The Speaker is the servant, neither of any part of the House nor of any majority in the House, but of the entire institution and serves thebest interests of the House...” (unquote) O’Brien and Bosc further states that:(quote) “Despite the considerable authority of the office, the Speaker may exercise only those powers conferred upon him or her by theHouse, within the limits established by the House itself.” (unquote)Speaker Milliken provided useful insight into this role when on April 27, 2010, on page 2039 of Debates , he stated that:(quote) “… the Chair is always mindful of the established precedents,usages, traditions and practices of the House and of the role of theChair in their ongoing evolution. ” (unquote) This not only confirms that it is not just written rules from which theSpeaker’s authority is legitimately derived, as suggested by the OppositionHouse Leader, but that the evolutionary nature of procedure must be takeninto account. It was on this basis of the House’s longstanding acceptance,and in fact expectations, of the practices at report stage, in conjunction withthe need for adaptation to the current context, that the amendments for 4 Bill C-45 were grouped for debate and voting purposes in the manner thatthey were. Nor does the role of the Speaker in this regard vary from Parliamentto Parliament, as has been suggested by the Government House Leader,who said:(quote) “ It may be justifiable in a minority Parliament for the Chair toaccept any questions for the House to decide, because it is difficult to predict the intentions of the majority of Members. This is not the casein a majority Parliament in general. ” (unquote) Let me be clear: the Speaker does not make decisions based on whois in control of the House. Report stage motions are not, and never havebeen, selected for debate and grouped for voting on the basis of who theChair thinks might win the vote on them. This is why in the case of C-45the Chair rejected the proposal made by the Government House Leader that I ought to group certain motions, to use his words, (quote) “ in a manner that recognizes the anticipated will of the House ” (unquote). The Chair is and will continue to be guided by procedural imperativesin all of its decisions, not by somehow substituting the Speaker’s predictionof the likely outcome of a vote for the expressed will of the House itself. This brings me to a discussion of the role of the House as a whole.The role of the House in the legislative process must be seen in thelarger context of the accountability of the executive branch to the electedMembers of the legislative branch. Speaker Milliken, in a ruling given on April 27, 2010, which can be found at page 2039 of Debates , stated:(quote) “In a system of responsible government, the fundamental right of the House of Commons to hold the government to account for its actions is an indisputable privilege and in fact an obligation.” (unquote)He continued:(quote) “…it is why that right is manifested in numerous procedures of the House, from the daily question period to the detailed examinationby committees of estimates, to reviews of the accounts of Canada, todebate, amendments, and votes on legislation.” (unquote) 5 House of Commons Procedure and Practice , Second Edition, atpage 250, puts into context how our practices have attempted to strike anappropriate balance between government and opposition. It states that:(quote) “…it remains true that parliamentary procedure is intended to ensure that there is a balance between the government’sneed to get its business through the House, and the opposition’sresponsibility to debate that business without completely immobilizing the proceedings of the House. In short, debate in the House isnecessary, but it should lead to a decision in a reasonable time.” (unquote) The underlying principles these citations express are thecornerstones of our parliamentary system. They enshrine the ancientdemocratic tradition of allowing the minority to voice its views and opinionsin the public square and, in counterpoint, of allowing the majority to put itslegislative program before Parliament and have it voted upon. In advocating a much stricter approach to the report stage onBill C-45, the Government House Leader seemed to argue that theexistence of a Government majority meant that the outcome of proceedingson the Bill was known in advance, that somehow this justified taking a newapproach to decision-making by the House and that anything short of thatwould constitute a waste of the House’s time. This line of reasoning, takento its logical end, might lead to conclusions that trespass on importantfoundational principles of our institution, regardless of its composition.Speaker Milliken recognized this when, on March 29, 2007, at page 8136 of Debates , he stated,(quote) “… neither the political realities of the moment nor the sheer force of the numbers should force us to set aside the values inherent in the parliamentary conventions and procedures by which wegovern our deliberations. ” (unquote) Speaker Fraser on October 10, 1989 ( Debates, p. 4461), alsoreminded the House that decisions on legislation are for the House aloneto make, stating that (quote) “…we are a parliamentary democracy,not a so-called executive democracy, nor a so-called administrativedemocracy.” (unquote) 6 I would now like to turn my attention to the issue of the role andrights of independent Members in the context of report stage. Whileacknowledging that some accommodation for the participation of independent Members was necessary, the Government House Leader was critical of the current state of affairs which he claims can allow a singleindependent Member, as the Government House Leader put it, (quote) “tohold the House hostage in a voting marathon” (unquote) As all Members know, this year, the House has had to deal withthousands of report stage motions when considering the two budgetimplementation bills, resulting, in the case of Bill C-38, in around-the-clock voting. While this is not unprecedented, it is the first time it hashappened since the rules governing report stage were changed in 2001. As is often the case, in the midst of such consuming procedural challenges,frustrations surface, our practices are examined and remedies areproposed. As I have indicated, the note to Standing Orders 76(5) and 76.1(5)already provides guidance to the Chair with regard to the selection of amendments at report, and in particular, states the following:(quote) “ For greater certainty, the purpose of this Standing Order is, primarily, to provide Members who were not members of thecommittee, with an opportunity to have the House consider specific amendments they wish to propose. ” (unquote) It is no secret that independent Members do not sit oncommittees in the current Parliament. In light of recent report stagechallenges and the frustrations that have resurfaced, the Chair would liketo point out the opportunities and mechanisms which are at the House’sdisposal to resolve these issues to the satisfaction of all Members. TheStanding Orders currently in place offer committees wide latitude to dealwith bills in an inclusive and thorough manner that would balance the rightsof all Members. In fact, it is neither inconceivable nor unprecedented for committees to allow Members, regardless of party status, permanently or temporarily, to be a part of their proceedings, thereby opening thepossibility for the restoration of report stage to its original purpose. For inspiration on the possibilities, Members need only to remember that thereare several precedents where independent Members were made membersof standing committees. Short of that, there is no doubt that any number of procedural arrangements could be developed that would ensure that theamendments that independent Members wish to propose to legislation 7 could be put in committee. Thus, it is difficult for the Chair to accept theargument that current report stage practices and rules are somehow beingused in an untoward manner by independent Members when simple andstraightforward solutions are not being explored. Were a satisfactory mechanism found that would afford independentMembers an opportunity to move motions to amend bills in committee, theChair has no doubt that its report stage selection process would adapt tothe new reality. In the meantime, as all honourable Members know, and as is statedat page 307 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, secondedition: (quote) “ It is the duty of the Speaker to act as the guardian of the rights and privileges of Members and of the House as an institution. ”(unquote) Accordingly, unless and until new, satisfactory ways of consideringthe motions of all Members to amend bills in committee are found, theChair intends to continue to protect the rights of independent Members topropose amendments at report stage.Finally, as we prepare to adjourn for the Christmas holidays, theChair invites all Members to reflect on how best to strengthen publicconfidence in this institution and on how best to balance the competinginterests with which we will always grapple. I thank all hon. Members for their attention. CullenC45ReportStage Final e